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just know, both of you...Thank you Mara and Waneta,<br /><br />just know, both of you, God spoke to me, through you, just one or two things you said,<br /><br />your kindness and reaching out, you won't know how much you've helped me, there is no words to say,<br /><br />but know, God did work through you...the prompting you had, was right on target.<br /><br />Please pray, for me and my children.<br /><br />Love,<br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-41147973987166589532010-02-14T19:12:27.574-08:002010-02-14T19:12:27.574-08:00The thing about eagles...
In the Bible they are s...The thing about eagles...<br /><br />In the Bible they are symbolic of deliverance. And also of the prophets.<br /><br />The Bible says for us to walk in the freedom the Jesus won for us and to not let others take that away.<br /><br />Hives appear to be safer, tucked away in the tree or ground. It is a fearful thing to be exposed on the bare heights. But it is where we are called. He will set our feet securely on high. The Bible says that MANY times. He'll also hide us under the shadow of His wings so we aren't as out there and exposes as we might think.Mara Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385458933795539928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-89196054812116277392010-02-14T02:59:31.610-08:002010-02-14T02:59:31.610-08:00Something also you said, Waneta, that is a LOT of ...Something also you said, Waneta, that is a LOT of what I've been really cringing about, in the whole Christian [faux Christ] culture, and it is over the issues I do strongly believe in,<br /><br />"There also seems to be a law of wealth that was around ever since the time of Christ. No one cared for Christ either--until he started giving out free meals and doctoring. I, too, would likely have friends a-plenty if I had the money to feed and/or cure everybody."<br /><br />I told Jesus, that I was going to go into relief work, hell or high water, even if I went to hell, that I couldn't do this 'life' anymore, having to refuse doubts and believe in what doctrines say and well, this whole insanity like trying to believe Santa is real, you know,<br /><br />but I do know what IS real, and its all over this blog and that is where my heart is at. And always has been,<br /><br />I won't ever be 'moral', I'm so Sick of the whole emotional terrorism and don't do this and do this self-policing I do, due to fear, fear of judgment fear of this fear of that, am I right am I wrong, I mean,<br /><br />it just got to the point where its like, You know Jesus I didn't ask to be born nor for that whole damn tree thing or any of that--I have failed Way, WAY too much, hell didn't even Live for Him for years, you know, but I DID believe, in the issues I was fighting for and was willing to die for them...<br /><br />still am. Though of course Jude says we are not to mouth authorities well, the jerks in these countries that are raping girls and women and butchering, I guess I'm going to hell because I won't honor them, and I'll admit it, I support a lot of revolutions, maybe not their ideologies but I don't blame them one bit--its like, I told Jesus, ok you want me to love my enemies and turn the other cheek but if I was standing there while some one was hacking a child to bits, guess what, I'm going to Do something, if I got a gun, I'm going to shoot--I won't pray,<br /><br />and it's the one thing that really irks me, about a lot of western teachings, this whole just leave it in God's hands, blah blah blah, I could Maybe see it, once in a while, with minor infractions,<br /><br />but not the gross abuses we see today. And another thing I don't agree with God about [I know, huh, lol, kind of bold there ain't I, bold or stupid], is HE needed an 11th commandment, Thou shall not abuse thy children,<br /><br />but He left them, unprotected. And yea, I've asked Him about that--that whole tree in garden, like, a parent leaving a loaded gun on the table, telling a two year old, now don't shoot it or you'll die.<br /><br />Yea, I have these 'struggles' and I just don't do the 'pat' answers the church gives or the 'oh don't you dare question or disagree or hell fire, like, I'm sort of sick of that whole terrorism garbage',<br /><br />but I am not quitting God or Jesus--just not, going to refuse to Question Him anymore, or be upfront, about why, I don't believe in a lot of things. I guess, I'm just at the end of my rope, hanging onto things, just because I am supposed to--and this whole thing that He loves me, I have never got that, seriously, America seems to be hung up on that,<br /><br />I think, you know I'm a speck, really, in a world of billions and billions and through out time. But well, you answered [or He did] one thing tonight--what you said, about Jesus, and that few wanted Him other than healing/feeding, etc.,<br /><br />I will ponder on that one a lot, this week [probably from now on as I tend to do that], and well, will take it to Him, I still talk to Him, all day. [including telling Him, maybe I don't believe in Him anymore...but I'll hang on to the faith because, well, can't prove He ain't either, and just to be safe, I know that's terrible but, well, it's how I feel inside]<br /><br />Love,<br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-84100854270819613782010-02-14T02:39:54.598-08:002010-02-14T02:39:54.598-08:00Waneta,
I'm not Separating from God, or Jesus...Waneta,<br /><br />I'm not Separating from God, or Jesus, but ONLY the teachings, of who He is, by doctrines and church, that is all,<br /><br />it's hard to explain but I think, you sort of did, when you said this, <br /> "The thing of it is that God is not the problem. The people and what they've been taught is."<br />and that is just it, what we know of Jesus is what we've been taught by men, by the Bible [and I wonder about the translations, it's just a little odd how even with the taking the whole it still is a book that is centered around men/male lens], and well, something that has been bugging me for some time [along with a few other things]<br /><br />Jesus said, the Holy Spirit will lead you into all Truth, not, the Bible or Scripture. And even IF, Waneta, we question church doctrines, our lens has been so distorted by Culture, Wealth yes, religion/development of, gender roles, etc., and I will add, our Separation from Nature--has a LOT to do with it, <br /><br />a year ago, I began to question a lot about Native American Indian beliefs, about ancient societies and some studies I did years ago on the development of patriarchy in ancient societies. I brushed a lot of those off,<br /><br />now I'm not so sure. I see a LOT of female references in OT, I also see a lot of references to Nature--not just the materialist matter, but something more, and over time its been coming together,<br /><br />the prophets of old, were Wild Vines, John the Baptist lived in the Wild, even Jesus, often went to the mountains to pray, Why is that? Paul says in end times the elements will burn up--look at global warming and What causes it...<br /><br />when I was in the rad fem lot, of course they focused on the Goddess beliefs, I looked into those but I couldn't buy into a lot of the stories BUT there was something there about the women of old, how their roles were NOT like they are today, and there was a sense of peace, being around those women and beliefs that I never found before--that got me to question,<br /><br />but I never thought, I would see and question these things when reading the Bible. Weird things, like why has Mary, the Mother of Jesus, been pushed to the wayside? [opposite in Catholic--and I have my theory there, some interesting things I found on Rome, prior to Catholic church including witch hunts, by the Romans], but, there are some other things too--why is it, that American [Western actually, not just America] Christians differ so much, life experience, etc., from Christians in the East? Why is it that Eastern Christians tend to be more down to earth and even mystical? [like some sects of Jews]<br /><br />I think, it has something to do with our physical connection that is cut off from the natural world and how the image of God, Jesus, has been Constructed, not just Gender, but God, has been constructed, to meet the ideals of western democracy and culture.<br /><br />But is that who God is? So, I'm not giving up on God, just tossing all I have been told about God, through doctrines. And I have been talking to Jesus about this...<br /><br />as far as the whole Christian Culture here in America [not individual people mind you, not leaving them], I'm so done with it and I won't ever return. A lot of reasons, that I won't go into here, but, well, I'm just done with it.<br /><br />In peace,<br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-92140615012350878332010-02-13T23:27:01.122-08:002010-02-13T23:27:01.122-08:00Jane,
I can relate to your battle, your journey, e...Jane,<br />I can relate to your battle, your journey, even though I haven't arrived at the same conclusions you have. I, too, find little love in churches. I find they do not adequately represent God's love. Instead, they tend to be meeting places where friends meet together. If you are not one of a particular clique, you can forget it. <br /><br />There also seems to be a law of wealth that was around ever since the time of Christ. No one cared for Christ either--until he started giving out free meals and doctoring. I, too, would likely have friends a-plenty if I had the money to feed and/or cure everybody.<br /><br />Fashion comes in here, too. It seems you are better accepted if you dress "right." It can be the fashion of that church group or the fashion dictated by the larger society.<br /><br />Basically, so many are just following the back end of the ant ahead of them. Or following the urine trail of the other mice--whichever metaphor you prefer. <br /><br />Few think for themselves. Few truly follow a call of God on their lives. So many are focused on the latest entertainment, on putting one foot in front of the other when necessary and the rest of the time doing something to escape the drudgery. <br /><br />The thing of it is that God is not the problem. The people and what they've been taught is. I have been guilty of blaming God for not protecting me from what people do. Yet, think about it. If God did step in and miraculously stop the misdeeds of people, I, too, would have my actions overridden. God would by His actions make me and everyone else into mere puppets. <br /><br />Currently, I am trying to get my act together, asking God how He wants me to make a difference in churches and out of churches. So many people are hurting, hurting. They are just trying to survive. <br /><br />And all of that is in the USA, where people are "free." <br /><br />The Bible is clear: God is against injustice and oppression. Even Moses's law requiring husbands to give their wives a writing of divorcement, was to protect the wives from the even worse abuses of abandonment and perpetual singlehood and poverty. <br /><br />While I have found that God IS on our side, I can certainly understand your decision to separate from Him. <br /><br />Blessings,<br />WanetaWaneta Dawnhttp://www.wanetadawn.comnoreply@blogger.com