tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post4038147886601594378..comments2023-03-29T06:00:01.923-07:00Comments on When the Needle Is More Powerful than the Pen and Sword though Sometimes You Need Both!: IS GOD A MISOGYNIST, CAN I RECONCILE?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-36132729743658187442009-05-04T11:16:00.000-07:002009-05-04T11:16:00.000-07:00The mindset of this world Thunderson IS PATRIARCHY...The mindset of this world Thunderson IS PATRIARCHY,<br /><br />its called, SIN, its called, wanting to be God, over someone else, making God into a 'man's image or a 'woman's' image or some other image,<br /><br />its called, the fruit of SIN, and its not [just] n my mind,<br /><br />its everywhere....its Why Jesus Christ died on the Cross and Rose from the Dead,<br /><br />patriarchy was not God's plan, patriarchy was the result of the FALL, the result of DISOBEDIENCE to God.<br /><br />IT also says, numerous times, Jesus said, the last shall be first and the first shall be last, that isn't patriarchy nor hierarchy,<br /><br />Jesus said there is no male or female, greek nor jew, free or slave, all are ONE in Christ Jesus.<br /><br />That isn't patriarchy, that is, CHRIST AS THE CENTER, CHRIST ON THE THRONE.<br /><br />Patriarchy destroys, there is no such thing as 'nice patriarchy', that is a lie. It is the lie that has been the distortion that has been used to justify the perpetuation of SIN, abuse, rape, murder, love of self rather than love of God.<br /><br />Yes, we are in a world under sin therefore God allowed laws and restraints, the opposite of order is complete anarchy--lawlessness,<br /><br />but sir, I will tell you this, the patriarchy that most men want to push and force in the modern day church, isn't even protective, its not a good patriarchy even, its a form of LAWLESSNESS BECAUSE THE MEN WHO ARE PUSHING THAT TYPE OF PATRIARCHY<br /><br />REFUSE TO SUBMIT TO THE OTHER MEN, IN THE CHURCH AND THEY REFUSE TO SUBMIT TO JESUS CHRIST,<br /><br />want example: SEXUAL IMMORALITY,<br /><br />I suggest, the lovers of patriarchy, go back and REREAD their ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT AND OLD, about the numerous warnings about staying away from Sexual Immorality, that includes the 'appearance of' and That includes, forcing women, to partake in sexual immorality, even the APPEARANCE OF,<br /><br />that includes, keeping the marriage bed pure as well--not in Lust as the heathens-hedonists do,<br /><br />not saying one has to be puritanical but the garbage and I emphasis garbage being spewed by many MEN in the church today and the women who follow them,<br /><br />is hedonism, pure and simple hedonism.<br /><br />It is IDOLATRY, and twisting scripture to make MEN some kind of Priest over women and their girl daughters,<br /><br />is making men into demigods.<br /><br />Turning away from the mindset of this world is correct,<br /><br />that means, in Everything, men should Love their wives as themselves, [goes right with the second commandment], men should be in self-control, not prone to VIOLENCE, that includes, domestic violence,<br /><br />men should not provoke their children to wrath...etc etc etc<br /><br />that means, sir, that men, today who twist scripture to justify their selfishness, their abuse, their lust, their idolatry, etc.,<br /><br />are in sin...men who teach women to do the same, are stumbling blocks.<br /><br />Patriarchy as its taught is the core of the apostacy in this country in my opinion, instead of Men and Women going into the mission field as Harvesters,<br /><br />we have men, and women, making profit, off of how to demand and enforce self-indulgence and LIVING ACCORDING TO THE VALUES OF <br /><br />THIS WORLD,<br /><br />where your treasure is at, there also is where your heart is at...<br /><br />men, who are Insistent, on maintaining the 'white' male privilege status quo, or men who are Insistent on maintaining wealth, patriarchy, their right to be Lords over women,<br /><br />are storing up treasures of self worship and self importance,<br /><br />meanwhile, Thunderson, there are MEN out there, in numerous countries, rotting in prisons, being tortured, have lost Everything,<br /><br />because they submitted to God, to Jesus Christ, they forsook all, to witness to the lost, to bring in the lost sheep,<br /><br />if Any MEN, deserve the right to insist on any honor or respect,<br /><br />ITS THOSE MEN,<br /><br />not these men in our American-Western church, who are twisting scripture, to fulfill the lusts of the flesh,<br /><br />or the women, who twist scripture, to fulfill the lusts of the flesh, etc., materialist wealth,<br /><br />as Paul said, living for pleasure.<br /><br />That, in a nutshell, Mr. Thunderson, is the entire worship of Patriarchy, as our churches know it,<br /><br />and Yes, it is, the Mindset of the world.<br /><br />it Sure, isn't the taking up the cross, SUBMITTING ONE TO ANOTHER AS UNTO THE LORD,<br /><br />and it Sure, isn't doing Anything for the Kingdom of Heaven,<br /><br />but it Is, now, filling the pockets of the porn industry, the counseling industry dealing with the Victims of such abuses, the drug industry and so forth,<br /><br />the fashion industry [that depends on slaves and shedding of innocent blood], the home industry [storing up treasure], etc.<br /><br />Where there should be women and youth being taught how to be Servants to Jesus Christ, especially in missions,<br /><br />instead, we have Virgins being paraded around in churches as if its the Temples of Ephesus to Diana,<br /><br />we have women who do nothing But consume and that whole living up to the Jones's,<br /><br />we have men who sit in the gates of self importance raking in the doe,<br /><br />and the World is dying...souls die and don't know Jesus.<br /><br />THAT, IS WHAT, PATRIARCHY HAS CREATED,<br /><br />and no way, will I support it.<br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-79842250459023247772009-05-04T05:54:00.000-07:002009-05-04T05:54:00.000-07:00Your problem lies in those who misuse Biblical pat...Your problem lies in those who misuse Biblical patriarchy and turn it into an abusive tendency it was never meant for ... but please do not mischaracterize the healthy mode of patriarchy which is practiced in a loving way in the VAST majority of Christian households. You are allowing your experience to trump Scripture, Jane. Anytime we choose to dwell in the soulish realm (mind, will, and emotions) we will be led astray. This is the area of human makeup that the enemy attacks .... especially your mind.<br /><br />Check out Romans 12:1-2 and see the importance of turning away from the mindset of this world.ThunderSonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-87662907349910842752009-04-29T14:22:00.000-07:002009-04-29T14:22:00.000-07:00Natasha is another pen name, I use on another blog...Natasha is another pen name, I use on another blog, WAMI, <br /><br />Natasha dedicated to a Russian woman, anyway, Natasha is Jane,<br /><br />pen names, that have meaning, directed towards the causes I write on... thought I'd add to avoid confusion.JaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-90834712759735735992009-04-29T14:18:00.000-07:002009-04-29T14:18:00.000-07:00Thunderson,
after praying, about what you posted,...Thunderson,<br /><br />after praying, about what you posted,<br /><br />question, can you cite the references to where you get the information in regarding women like to do porn and its easy work, etc?<br /><br />Where did you get that from and what are their credentials?<br /><br />Because, on this issue, I am going to write, in length, about some time soon, and I would like for you, to read over,<br /><br />because that is simply a false statement.<br /><br />Porn also, isn't just some 'sin', its an industry, a Huge industry, and Porn doesn't just effect women, it is the Warfare against ALL WOMEN,<br /><br />be they Nuns, three year olds, or the most submissive patriarchal Godly woman out there.<br /><br />But, Porn is also, a Warfare, a very structured multi-billion dollar BLOOD SHEDDING and PROFIT TO CONSPIRE TO SHED BLOOD<br /><br />warfare<br /><br />against millions of innocents.<br /><br />And, the Word of God is very clear, numerous times, about the shedding of blood, including the shedding of blood of women and children.<br /><br />Confronting Porn isn't simply a Liberation Feminist battle,<br /><br />it is, a battle for humanity, both in the physical AND in the spiritual,<br /><br />that includes men.<br /><br />Because, boy children, are just as much trafficked and forced into Porn, globally, as are girls AND<br /><br />whether you realize it or not,<br /><br />did you know, FBI stats, that thousands of boys, are gang raped and raped, outside of the prison industrial complex,<br /><br />and its the one 'silent' hate crime, because of the stigma,<br /><br />and its increasing, much due to porn?<br /><br />I would ask, that you seriously reconsider, what you believe about porn and women's role in it,<br /><br />because porn isn't just about women making easy money, [a falsehood btw] <br /><br />and while yes, there are women who work in the upper echalons of the industry including prostitution [madames],<br /><br />it is not that unlike women, who, having no other means of empowerment or freedom, will partake in the patriarchal violence, ideologies, etc., of men, as the Only means, of being respected, by men,<br /><br />to exploit other women, though they are exploited, too, they gain some power,<br /><br />by aiding the exploitation of others.<br /><br />There are those, yes, that are just sheer profit driven greedy do not care for human life, much of that is also, out of nationalist hatred, and racism,<br /><br />for example, the Serbian nurses [women] who assisted the Serbs, in setting up rape camps, those same women, lured the 12 year old girls in, then primed them, for their gang rapes that went on for months, and their torture,<br /><br />so yes, women are Just as capable of EVIL as men are,<br /><br />and that is increasing, sadly,<br /><br />but, God did say, with oppression and with idolatry and with worshiping of demons [gods], that the women,<br /><br />would eat their young.<br /><br />That has far more meaning, than simply,<br /><br />in the literal sense.<br /><br />I will expand upon this, WITH SCRIPTURE,<br /><br />later, when time affords and God willing.<br /><br />Peace,<br /><br />JaneNatashahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06004480128192978716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-90120642923442509522009-04-29T13:36:00.000-07:002009-04-29T13:36:00.000-07:00No, I'll publish it,
I don't concur with fascism,...No, I'll publish it,<br /><br />I don't concur with fascism, and can agree to agree on points,<br /><br />to disagree on points.<br /><br />As for porn being easy work, I strongly disagree, but I do concur however, that its not only 'men' who perpetuate porn,<br /><br />however, it IS a male dominated and male defined industry, that is also, economic patriarchal in structure.<br /><br />Yes, many feminists wouldn't even allow you to post, or comment,<br /><br />I will, I may not debate you or get into long drawn out arguments, but I won't censor you either,<br /><br />the only time I censor is when a comment is inflammatory or is harmful to women, children, etc. <br /><br />I do concur with you though, and it is a very good point, the soft porn - erotica' that is published for women Yes is just as destructive,<br /><br />but its also, a part of that whole patriarchal 'gender role' defining and social constructs of what 'female' should be,<br /><br />it plays more into the benefit of males, because females will seek out those romantic [to the extreme, lets emphasis that] notions and expectations, that what feminists call the Cinderella complex,<br /><br />yet when reality doesn't meet those expectations, conflict results.<br /><br />I would ask you however, who set those roles to begin with?<br /><br />I think, its important to understand, that patriarchy, particularly the 'androcentric nuclear' kind,<br /><br />doesn't just hurt women,<br /><br />it hurts boys and men.<br /><br />In the early epochs, when Christianity wasn't colonized by materialism, those issues were often addressed,<br /><br />particular prior and during WWI, and during the rise of Lenin, and Fascism in Europe. [the whole debate between materialist socialists And Christian Socialists, inherited much by the Reformation movements in Europe--short and simplistic paraphrase there, as its far more complex than that]<br /><br />but, I will give you, two writers, for example:<br /><br />two of my favorites [among numerous] and two of who inspired me, so much<br /><br />Salvador De Madariaga, who wrote "Dedicated to Women" <br /><br />and<br /><br />and one, whom the modern day has all but forgotten, but one if not the Best, analysis, of what Patriarchy, does, to men and boys,<br /><br />to our world, that is harmful:<br /><br />"Women's Place in Politics" by<br /><br />Viscountess Astor; M.P.<br /><br />I'd like to quote from her, if I may, from excerpt from her essay...<br /><br /><br />"There is nothing in women's past that they want to go back to, so of course, they want to go forward. What inspires them, I am sure, is the longing to make new and much better world for their children to live in, something fairer and safer than the one they were born into;<br /><br />safer for their Sons, so they need not be shot by machine guns, and fairer for their Daughters, so that they may have a chance to develop the best that is in them. Women who feel like this do not want dictators; what they want is freedom in a civilized community."<br /><br />Patriarchy, violence to women, including perpetuation violence to women In marriage, [though not so quick to advocate slavery, I might add]<br /><br />is not working towards a Safer world, nor a Fairer world,<br /><br />today,<br /><br />there is Holocaust against Women, eg the Congo<br /><br />and Holocaust against Men, eg Columbia, Chechnya, <br /><br />and, Holocaust, against children in numerous nations.<br /><br />So, thunderson,<br /><br />I'll agree, to disagree, with you, on much.<br /><br />but, in Love,<br /><br />and in Christ Jesus,<br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4633836557986489093.post-90028470259522483242009-04-29T12:10:00.000-07:002009-04-29T12:10:00.000-07:00I am deeply sorry for the hurts you have suffered ...I am deeply sorry for the hurts you have suffered in your life. The Jesus that I have known for 30 years would never have done this to you. There is a healthy and balanced Complementarian view that the Bible teaches. This is modeled in my house and in many, many others and both spouses find it to be fulfilling. The Bible is not a book of deficiencies or disagreements. But, one must be able to look at it in context and within proper exegesis. This is why Feminist Liberation Theology is so full of error. Many egalitarians approach this issue out of emotion and feelings coupled with their own personal bad experience. Patriarchy modeled through Scripture is neither threatening nor harmful. Jesus came to set women free!!<br /><br />Concerning your comments about porn, there is no doubt that porn is a horrible sin with tragic consequences. But, it is unfair to lash out solely against men for the problem. Did you know that upwards of 1/3 of all porn bought, sold, and produced is BY WOMEN?? That is correct. The fact of the matter is that the VAST majority of women portrayed in porn do it willingly and at great profit. They are eager participants. They like the "easy" work and the great sums they command for a "performance". Few of them are coerced or abused into the porn industry.<br /><br />I daresay that romance novels, women's shelf magazines, the Lifetime Channel, and other channels from Estrogen Networks (just funnin' with you!) are more destructive to relationships than outright porn.<br /><br />One must clear up certain misconceptions if healing is to come. I would encourage you to get your Bible and spend some quality time just talking to Jesus. The more you seek outside counsel, especially counsel from other bitter and angry people .... the more bitter and angry you will become. Life is too short for that! I highly doubt that you will publish this nor do I expect you to. Thank you for your time.<br /><br />I am praying for you.<br /><br />John 16:33<br /><br />"These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me you might have peace. In this world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world"ThunderSonnoreply@blogger.com