DEBUNKING CHRISTIANITY WITHOUT JOINING THE BITCHING LOT OF ATHEISM PART 2

'painting SORROW by Vincent Van Gogh'

DEBUNKING CHRISTIANITY WITHOUT JOINING THE BITCHING LOT OF ATHEISM PART 2

See the post below, this one is related...

OK well on this debunking and Deconstructing, which I believe was born when I began to Question God about Patriarchy and Misogyny--including those things that are in the Word--it was when I began to see symbolism's in the Bible that pointed out to a type of dialectic as well as symbolism's that obviously showed the Female side to God, and looking at the misery of my own Consumption coveting angry consumed life--that desolation from submitting and yielding to the ideas and Constructs of modern society both secular, political and religious--on Gender, on Class and on Personhood, a.k.a. conformity, and came to the desolation point, I then knew, either I looked and challenged every belief I had or I would DIE in the ROT I became.  Rot that was planted in me by abuse and other horrific things done through a family line of iniquity as well as this evil society-world, but Also from my own choices and actions that were contrary to love, contrary to self love I might add because I am seeing how JuST important that one Truly is--one that religion and the power brokers of the LIE have all but told us we are NOT to have any self love--which leaves us not only Incapable of loving anyone but we can't even love God if we hate ourselves--

sorry if I'm talking in circles here, but anyhow--so I hit the HELL ok inside of me--I knew, either I got Saved not just from my own SIN and SELF but from the LIES I had believed...

in this process I found I would get Furious at God for so much of the LIES I had believed, including things in His word or the Bible that I knew, obviously were tampered with--in very subtle clever ways in the use of male only language, somedays I would think OK God where am I missing it--you have ONE nature here, another one HERE, I would have to go Back and Back, reread,

then all this time, this voice, would tell me, as well as I needed the sanctuary and oh my gosh the healing, the silence, the soothing balm, to go outside, to learn from Nature.  So I did--what I didn't realize then, was just how much God would show me IN Nature, that through learning that it's not Reading the Bible in the letter of LAW which Kills, but in Meditating, that one starts to GET IT...but you see IF our lens is poisoned by materialism, social constructs/so called man's wisdom which is foolish and self consuming destruct anyway--like a Worm that feeds itself, we Won't get it.

It Does take being Broken, for one, and I do mean Broken--when Nothing in this life can resolve the ache inside--that horrible ache and not even religion can do it--because RELIGION IS A LIE...it's a LIE of a false garment to cover up the futility and nakedness and that shame that goes with it--that Hiding...but it's a hiding that is so open to the forces of spiritual death/vampires because it is Darkness.  It takes seeing into the MIRROR image of YOURSELF--which is really facing not only hell but demons, it's horrific, Any who say they have and are not horrified by it ARE LYING TO YOU, because the effects alone of living around Evil do poison us, in ways we don't grasp, but they do.  

It's like we are a hollow tube and with every unkind word spoken, every thought of hate, of wanting revenge, murder, every thought of lust, power...all the thoughts and images of things done to us, said to us, painful things, some traumatic, those things we See in images and media, all of this combined, has an effect.  Going to religion to try and 'fix' all this, won't cut it...it may Cover it for a while but it won't cut it simply because it's only a mental assent--we can Mentally assent to something for a very long time--

religion uses Fear, we adhere out of FEAR, we stick to the faith out of FEAR, fear is a LIE people, if WE are not able to go to God and say, you know sometimes I think you're kind of an asshole because we are Terrified that HE will forever strike us down and reject us, we are in FEAR.  And FEAR breeds LIES...so we LIE TO HIM when he knows full well, what we think and what we feel.  WE would not be Normal to NOT think that, when horrible things happen to us and it appears that HE is behind them.  

So, while sitting outside, then one day pulling bind weeds, I began to understand what the Bible really was saying to me--at first it was slow, I'd have a good day, and the next I'd be, like, WTF God, I mean--just yesterday...you were telling me all these great things...and this went on for about a year...what I didn't know however is just how much Gunk in my soul garden was being not only removed but churned over--to where, it was all exposed and there was nothing hidden...

but now what I DIDN'T expect, was for REASON to pop in there and I began to question the validity of Jesus, of God, Science, all of it--the Woman Question kept bringing me back to this because no matter What I kept seeing 'flaw's' when reading the Bible...so I began to dig--sure enough, there was Good reason to Doubt, 300 years After the death of Jesus a bunch of men in Rome get together and put Their version of Jesus into effect--and the Gnostics weren't any better--what I have read thus far sounds more to me like communism--with the whole women have to become penis's to be saved but Oh wait--we can still kiss and screw her, I mean Come on--sounds like right out of the Comrade 'sexual swap' book to me...been there done that, know that one is a BIG FAT LIE, so,

ok so then, Who to believe,What to believe?

And all this time, Nature kept coming back to me, all these little messages of wisdom, but I would reject them you see because maybe they were Wiccan or maybe they were Pagan or maybe they were New Age or maybe this, after all, it's not Doctrine--the doctorates of men, those schooled scholar boys in the ole Greek club--oh yea....the Mars Hill philosophy doctorates with their fancy degrees and their expertise on gender, life, wisdom....

of course when the bleeding women crawling on the ground come up it's not Woman your faith has made you whole, oh no, it's for $19.99 you Too can be free...come on give us some more snake oil.

I mean, seriously--but then I would also see All the times I could have given, I didn't, all the times I could have loved, but I didn't, excuse, excuse, excuse...the materialism and things I coveted--oh I may have dumpstered for them [because I am low income] but so what--greed is greed, consumption is consumption--now does this mean we are to shun every wanting or having, NO, it just means, there is a line--between wanting and then OH MY GOSH I LIVE FOR WANT, I LIVE TO HAVE, TO GET, GET, GET, GET AND GET...that inside worm that is Never satisfied, the worm dieth not the fire never quenched Jesus said.

I was a horrible person who lived a horrible life--I want to Change God...but every day I got up To change something would come up like Lead inside my heart and I would just be like bound in cement--there were days I thought, this is judgment, I am surely going to hell.  It was then I realized what Hell is, it's not some place, some inferno, it's not needed, it's when one is so full of death inside that there is NO life source, NO fuel, to even Want to go on...and it's like this spiral into the abyss where you fall and fall and it is dark--there IS no love--

but daily I would go outside, sit outside, work in the garden or pull weeds or just sit and observe--and little by little the pieces began to fit.  When I began to question, seriously the Christian religion, I was also questioning Jesus--the Pauline Gospels, all of it--I so rejected [and still do] the doctrines of the so called 'churches' which are So way off it's not even funny--no wonder we have so much unbelief these days.  But you see it's not enough to blame the church, because it's not just THE church that is at fault--it's something more--


it's the Disconnect.  With LIFE.


watch this video, pay close attention--to what WE are and have BECOME--LOOK AT THE CONSUMPTION OF BOTH THINGS AND FROM THE EARTH, THE LIFE SOURCE, WE THE PLANET, HUMANS, AND JUST PONDER IT A BIT


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3ov9USxVxY

now, I often read [and asked myself] why did God commit Genocide--in the Old Testament, those giants that God told Joshua and David, etc., that HE would drive out--were CONSUMING EVERYTHING, that is the KEY many miss, they look at the men, women and children/babies--the girls taken who were virgins, now I don't know why HE spared the virgins--though if one wants to call being some man's sex slave that he could rape/be violent too at will who knows [though God did have laws against abusing captives, that should be mentioned but what God said and what man did two different things] but going back, if you read the Entire text--and the rest of Old Testament, there ate two things, the consuming and the mass consuming to where Humans could not eat--nor did the animals have any food or homes, etc., and the violence--the taking of villages/wars, sexual violence, all those things ARE listed, in these lands ruled by Giants--

the Other KEY is the many mentions about the Sabbath rest for the EARTH, the slaughtering of animals for sport [see ancient sports] and the abuse of the earth, then we begin to see another picture all together,


see the EARTH gives us LIFE, as do the Animals, they Sacrifice themselves for us every single day--out of Love, but when humanity takes and takes and gives not God credit nor Respect, when mankind abuses mankind through war, conquest, for getting MORE--see the KEY to all the wars in OT is that those who looted for gold, etc., God destroyed, HE didn't have a lot of tolerance for that--why Is that?  Because gold mining and other mineral mining strips the planet, pollutes the water, with slavery which was used in that day it also pollutes the earth with blood.  God in His forbearance would tolerate and teach, warn, through prophets, ancients, sages, but when it got to the point where humanity simply DID NOT CARE--BUT ONLY WANTED TO CONSUME, then GOD acted.


See God gives life, HUMANS CONSUME AND TAKE LIFE.


See if you put yourself in a plant's skin or an animals skin, if you put yourself in a bird's skin and watch how it must feel to see your homes, one after another be tore down so that humanity can build huge houses and more houses and not only that they don't even share with those without--when there are wars and blood, that the Earth is forced to drink--of innocent children, etc., when you Put yourself into Their skin and see from THEIR LENS,


THEN, THEN IT BEGINS TO MAKE SOME SENSE.


Why Jesus said, sell what you have and give, worry not about your raiment for LIFE is more than clothes, the lilies of the fields, etc., it makes Sense--what HE was really saying, and IF you go back and read Acts and Paul--and all the others, the numerous times, do good works--Feed the poor, Share what you have, Love one another,


it makes Sense.


Now whether or not humanity listened, is up to humanity--


now look at This video--and just ponder...I will leave this for now, and come back to it later this week--see also post below--God is showing me, I'm seeing it...but NOT in the way I ever thought I would--and I am no longer afraid of it....in fact, it's freeing, to be free from the shackles of religion and FEAR, of GUILT, to be able to see what our purpose truly is--is a beginning.  It is NOT comfortable because it's so contrary to what our flesh is used to--it is painful, a  letting go, but in all life, seeds are planted in darkness and they take time to GROW.  It is both male and female, there ARE no 'roles' but gifts, life gifts...we see them all the time in nature, in animal kingdoms there is no homogeneous structure, there are two monkey groups, one patriarchal the other matriarchal, both are prone to violence and class-death--did WE evolve from them?  I think not--but WE did corrupt them--they learn by WATCHING US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, we have dominion, not them--they evolve watching US and become corrupt with each generation--as WE consume food, they become and adapt to OUR ways.  On the other hand, there are also life lessons to be learned from observing animals, God speaks to us in numerous ways--we also see the End Result, of our actions and inactions through out the earth today.


It isn't GOD who is fallen, disconnected, it is US, humanity.  HE reconciled, through Jesus on the Cross, HE showed us, LIFE---we will be a food source, either fruit or thorns...to be burned, Food source you say, Oh how awful, but no, when an animal eats an animal that animal yes dies--but it also Becomes part through atoms and energy of the animal that consumes while the waste goes out...if you look at Energy, forces that make up matter--you can see it.  Water, Gases--they are all molecules and atoms, etc., they are living, life--THEY CHANGE FORM...when Jesus was resurrected HE changed form several times, the Bible says this--it's not hard to imagine, if you take matter, you can change it's form--what if, you become an energy source that can change matter, yourself, this may be hard to grasp--but if we can imagine shapeshifters on Star Trek Deep Space Nine--then it can be done....we see it in Nature every day--what we see as death is decay--but that decay turns or transforms into another life source.  The fire not quenched, fire below, the center of earth--those that do not have LIFE in them--because they chose NOT to have it.


that, that is hell--the lake of fire, look at a star when it combusts or look at the forming of pulsar stars, ok so you Don't see human forms, that don't mean, there isn't forms there--we just don't SEE them--our eyes are limited--we just don't know, do we?  I believe there are other dimensions--the string theory, that there are doors, even windows, I also believe, that we are here to Learn, to Overcome--


Easier said than done, because Pain is real, our lives in these bodies are real and the beautiful thing about God, is that HE became like us...in Jesus---HE knows, what it IS to be hungry and tempted, to be depressed and suicidal, to want to have power to deal with those who oppress, in that desert Jesus felt them all--and not the ONLY time either.


Disconnected--until we become connected with Nature again--we will NOT grasp who God really is or who Jesus is for that matter, on This I am convinced.  The Ancients KNEW the WAY, TRUTH, LIFE...


THEY DID NOT NEED RELIGIONS OR MAN'S CONSTRUCTS OR THE 'CHURCH' OF ROME TO TEACH THEM--THEY KNEW, THE GREAT SPIRIT...


WE should and would do well, to Learn from them--







I give God, the Great Spirit, Jesus, the Chief of all Chiefs, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God the Mother also, the Mother Earth, Glory and thanks...for All they have shown me, this year, for their patience, forbearance with me, when I was horrible to them, not with understanding, fearful, frustrated, blind and angry...for tolerating my outbursts, for leading me in many ways to the Light, to the WAY, showing me, the Error of MY ways and deeds and thoughts...


for without Them, without their Vine, Jesus the Vine, I would have not seen, this I know and I would not live...I have new life in THEM, only in THEM, I thank God, the Heavenly Father, for introducing me to my Heavenly Mother, Mother Earth, to whom I have been able to run and to heal...thank you Mother Earth for showing me, that I have Value, Power, as a Female, as a Woman.  That sorrow, my sorrow, is also YOUR sorrow, that YOU feel every day, for all your children, the ones who believe and the ones who are disobedient to the WAY, who you still love and want for them to COME HOME,


I thank you Heavenly Father for introducing me to the Great Mother Wisdom and the Holy Spirit for teaching me TRUTH, for teaching me about the wheel and the negative forces that are around me and that are also In me--we are dead to Sin, because of Jesus's sacrifice--reckon ourselves dead to sin, however our being, our flesh, those negative forces still operate in our cells, our minds, our thoughts...we Rise above them, overcome them--though Pain is the rod that teaches us, though some Pain is also from the dark forces around us that desire to crush us and to lead us astray--away from the Path, the Way, of Life.  It is a Warfare, that is not easy--but it is the lesson of learning what LIFE is, that LIFE is a force, that is Eternal.


Without you I could not see nor could I be free to be truthful, with myself, my doubts, my fears and my sadness and grief...the enemy has taken much from me...losses many which cannot be restored in This lifetime, they are not joyful to live with.  They are a death--you say I resurrect from those but I don't always Feel that--there are times death seems to be more a friend than foe--yet it was Through that, that I saw, that LIFE was more than THIS LIFE,


Most of all, Thank you for showing me healing, comfort in the arms of Mother Earth and in the listening to the Winds of the Spirit, the Four Directions, the Four....


for giving me strength and courage through the darkness when I questioned what I had been taught and known, that was Forbidden, told to me by men, and some women, those things that did NOT bring LIFE nor HEALING NOR PEACE--but only hate...


all the time I was looking for some Divine out of this world intervention--and it was there, all in front of me every day....when I saw I said, This is not Enough!  Why it's just a tree, it's just a flower, it does not talk, it does not listen, it does not help the pain go away....


but you kept showing me, when I cried the cats would come, when I wanted to die the butterflies would flutter around me, the birds would sing, the ants would work...


so many things, you Showed me, you Spoke, for so long I did not listen, I went to others, seeking answers, they too, blind like me, floundering like fish out of water.  So much pain in this world, especially in Women, so much violence, hate, INDIFFERENCE...


we look for Evil, to combat, to blame--the worst enemy is IN OURSELVES, ignorance, fear, greed, indifference.


I'll love when I am loved we say--but we ARE loved, every day, every day...the things we take for granted, ARE YOU...THEY AREN'T JUST 'INTANGIBLE, THEY ARE REAL, THEY ARE ALIVE,


the pagans knew it, the ancients knew it, the natives knew it.  In all these however there were those who wanted MORE, they wanted POWER, to be 'as gods', they took wisdom and turned it to sorcery, they took and used to control forces to their advantage to control others, to GET MORE AND TO GET MORE, they sacrificed even their young...they lost their Way, in every ethnic group, race, peoples they have lost their Way,


Paul said to the philosophers at Mars Hill that we have our being in God,

Acts 17: 22: “Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' 29 “Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

 And to close, I will close with this, going Back to thinking through the lens of the plants, animals, all living things...which BTW I should add, it isn't Enough to just reverence the LIFE in animals or plants--the imbalance of the self-centered beliefs that USE these for elitist agendas, is that they leave out, or reject the most important LIFE being there is, made in God's image--HUMANS, 

we can fight to protect animals, we can fight to protect the planet, but if WE IGNORE OUR HUMAN BROTHER AND SISTER WHO LIKE US, NEED WATER, FOOD, CLOTHES, SHELTER, LOVE AND CARE--WE MISS IT, 

it is NOT Holy to protect the earth/animals while Killing humans either by direct, indirect or by porgram [e.g. genocide to save resources for the ones who Think they are superior--they are NOT],

those will be judged by God--who do and promote such, we are to Love one another, HARMONY, LIVE IN HARMONY WITH EACH OTHER, WITH THE EARTH, WITH THE ANIMALS...

Revelations 11:18  
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 

The Nations--Native Indian Americans, and other Native Indians [Canada, Russia, Asia], define themselves as NATIONS....as well as many other Ancient beliefs followers.


In Peace,


Jane