Why Some of the Egalitarian Christian Movement is also a Deception--BE WARNED

Notes from the Wilderness

I am cross posting this, from another blog--I wrote a response to a woman, who had received horrid treatment by a Woman Pastor, when leaving an abusive husband--NOT a male pastor.  [see the FGM post below].

This is something I noticed--couldn't quite put my finger on it but I did notice it, a while back, when reading and posting on Egal boards.  And what is Dangerous about some of them them is that they are so deceptive in their tactics--it's NOT because they are Egalitarian, no, it is because they are ONLY Egalitarian to a 'degree' yet Refusing to Confront and Challenge the Other oppressions under both Patriarchy and Imperialism.  You can't have it both ways--you can't sit at the Lord's table and at the Devil's table--you can't claim to want to end patriarchy and to push for women in pastor roles yet Refuse, to Deconstruct beauty prisons and class prisons and race prisons and economic prisons--all that are intertwined with Patriarchy.  [there are serious dangers in the Other pole, the Other extreme, in the radical deconstruct--that is truly only a deconstruct/destruction of Female--to create a Male Supreme Value 'god' world--it's cleverly hidden however, this is where paradoxically the Goddess Feminists and the Wicca do see this--they are, I have found, the only ones who have discerned this truth].  I believe it's because they have not cut themselves off from the source [God created yes but source nevertheless] of the sap of life--Mother Earth.  Mother Earth--Woman--that is why, you will see resistance to the machinery of death/social engineering/Dominion Cults of Marduk and Baal [though they can work together--in the spiritual realm] from these connected to mother earth groups.

To those who have ears, let them hear...what the Spirit is Saying...

Anyhoo,


the Whore of Babylon, is a fornicator--Fornicator means, numerous partners, who may not all be identical.  There is a saying, in the political, especially among revolutionaries,

an enemy, can be a friend for you, to combat an enemy.

In the book/movie Narnia, the White Witch told Peter, "You cannot fight them alone Peter, you need us", and that is true--in WWII, the West, joined forces, with Stalin, to fight Hitler.  To those who have ears, let them hear...what the Spirit is Saying.

We must pray always, for discernment.  This does not mean, I am opposed to the Egals, no, I simply do not join the 'movement' as a member--I do believe, there is a Spiritual Reason, why Paul said, I do not allow Woman, to teach or have authority over the man.  This is one area, I concur with the comps on--but NOT for the SAME reasons, not EVEN CLOSE.  I am referring here to 'the church', not to positions in the secular--though God has used Women, in positions of authority, Deborah and Esther--but here's one thing, that many miss,

it's never, to elevate, woman, across the board, to set up, a female matriarchy within the church.  THAT does not mean however, that there isn't a Matriarchy--there IS,

but that's the hidden thing--and good Reason for this--to those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is saying.  Mother Earth--the Womb, Sap of Life.

The problem with the egal push to get women into ministry is more secular and psychological influenced [Venus] in nature--than Spiritual, Christianity--not religion, but Spiritual--this is NOT really their fault, in other words,

this is simply, the Outcome and Result, of the fact that we, as a people, as a Spiritual People, Christians, have lost connection and touch, with the spiritual life, with the earth, with the elements, the days of old, both Jew and Christian did NOT lose touch, it was ONLY after, MAMMON, and the DEMAND FOR KINGS/LORDS/EMPIRES,

that the pollution would cover darkly.  To those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is Saying.

This also tends to be more of a phenomenon in the West, than in the East--again, this has to do with materialism and the blindness it causes.  There will be no true 'equality' in the imperialist nations, there can't be, not with out a deconstruct of the MAMMON AND IDOLATRY.  Jesus said, it's easier, for a camel, to go through the eye of a needle, than a rich [referring to Spiritual rich--one who is or thinks they are 'good', does good works, can be materially rich too but it's about the person's heart/lack of solidarity with the oppressed/lost] person, to get into the Kingdom of Heaven.  Not only can a camel NOT go through the eye of a needle,

a camel, can't even SEE, THE EYE, OF THE NEEDLE.

To those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is saying...

my reply--to this woman, and sad to say, I'm sure, there are more who have had her experience, and there will be more-  as predicted, in Revelations.  The Woman and the Earth--to those who hear, let them hear...

"it was a FEMALE pastor that told me 'How dare you!' and 'Shame on you!' when I asked my church for physical help leaving my x-husband since he was not letting me pack and unpacking the few boxes I did manage to pack..."
Ditto, Good point and one that is NOT really looked at honestly, this is the ONE main reason, I do NOT support the whole Egal Christian movement Either--it wreaks of too many of the similarities of Betrayals to Women in liberal feminism--this MYTH that Gender Parity will somehow change the patriarchy-misogyny and that women will be better off,

WRONG.

What tends to happen ALL THE TIME is the women who eventually Do get to move up the 'pastor ladder' [same with political] is that they are the ones, though they may  not Realize it, who are chosen, because they will be what Mary Daly termed as the Painted Birds--token women,

we see this All the time in confronting women's human rights, in government, military [where one in three women are raped BY fellow soldiers/US fact, case before Pentagon and continuing] and in other leadership positions.  Just because there are women in leadership does not make a women's emancipation come to pass--

power corrupts absolutely, what Does happen is a type of assimilation into the 'elitist' power structure, lording it over others, throwing women off the bus so to speak, because once one has theirs, well, to hell with the others...there ARE a FEW EXCEPTIONS to this RULE but they are a FEW...a small minority and THOSE women who do NOT sell out [or those in abolition or emancipation/liberation or reform or human rights, etc--same thing], if they Don't sell out--

they'll be PURGED OUT, eventually...as soon as the Legion Lords and Bathory Women realize that they cannot 'control' their tokens --

and time after time we see those who believed somewhat, in emancipation, get into those parity positions, only to quickly forget their oppressed class and then they sell their soul

to do evil.  Often times it's Money, or Power--Status,

it's a narcotic, a spiritual narcotic, it takes a very dedicated person, to stay true to the cause.  So yes, you'll find numerous women pastors, just like women politicians, leaders, who will 'compromise' for the sake of village [what they'll say] when really it's for the sake of maintaining a place in Baal's and Herod's palace--regardless of size, and the ones, the women they Will throw under the bus the most--the quickest, and with out recognition by others

are the invisible marginalized women.  The poor, the underclass, the minority ethnic groups, the elderly, etc....

happens All the time.  This is why, these groups who work 80% of the time pushing for women in Ministry, really are NOT a friend to women, as much as they are out for Ambition, I'm going to say it,

the Friends, the Solidarity for Women, are THOSE WOMEN, ON THE BATTLEFIELDS, PAYING OFTEN WITH THEIR BODIES--TO SAVE/FIGHT FOR OTHER WOMEN,

not for Positions.

No greater love, than to LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE, FOR THE SISTERHOOD--

not, WALK ON THEM--TO GET 'A PLACE IN THE SPOTLIGHT',

so yea, Females, [and there are female traffickers, slave holders, SS police like in Iran who assist in raping other women/girls, etc], can be Just as patriarchal AND EVIL

as men.

Kind of blows that whole angelic 'patriarchal' Madonna purity goddess b.s. out the window doesn't it?  And it was Patriarchy and Gender Construct Roles, the Romance of it, the Chivalry LIE

that Created, those Women, those Bathory women--who drink the blood of virgins/innocents/marginalized,

so that They, can stay Young and Virile.  Just like the Vampires, they are...so, beware,

spiritual discernment--oh how it is So lacking these days.

Love, in Solidarity,

 how you can tell--real simple,

they will Use, refer to, Misery of women, oppression, but it's only a means to an end, a ticket--Push the envelope a bit further, dare to Turn over the Rock, the Foundation of Patriarchal and Misogynist Infrastructure Oppression, and how yes, Women have assisted and Benefited from [particularly race/class] and their FANGS will come out with a Vengeance--they Also tend to 'water down' horrors, with sweeter sugar coated words,

example, calling FGMs cut flowers [female genital mutilation] rather than Castration--which is what FGMs truly are--not a 'cutting'...and they do this, in the 'language of not offending', but TRUTH, does not rejoice in evil--but Confronts evil, Love does not 'join in with oppressors' but works to stop the oppression...

that's how you can tell.  The problem is, the abuse of the meanings of Grace, Unity, and Spreading the Gospel [that thrives on the blood sacrifices of women and bodies of women in particular] has so polluted TRUTH in these days--

many simply do not discern the difference anymore, it's gone Gray.  And that is why, yes, we will see, MORE women, that will not only side in with patriarchy, they will Police other women--and they'll do it,

in the name of Liberation.

mark my words on this...you will see it More and More.

Songs from the Wilderness--to close, My Anthem Song, Love this song, Love the Indigo Girls [and Mazzy Star, love you, Tori Amos, so many, anyhoo], Amen Sisters, I WILL NOT BE A PAWN, FOR THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS, ANY LONGER....(see lyrics below)



 My place is of the sun and this place is of the dark
I do not feel the romance I do not catch the spark
I don't know when I noticed life was life at my expense
The words of my heart lined up like prisoners on a fence
The dreams came in like needy children tugging at my sleeve
I said I have no way of feeding you, so leave
But there was a time I asked my father for a dollar
And he gave it a ten dollar raise
When I needed my mother and I called her
She stayed with me for days
And now someone's on the telephone, desperate in his pain
Someone's on the bathroom floor doing her cocaine
Someone's got his finger on the button in some room
No one can convince me we aren't gluttons for our doom
But I tried to make this place my place
I asked for Providence to smile upon me with his sweet face
But I'll tell you
My place is of the sun and this place is of the dark
I do not feel the romance I do not catch the spark
My place is of the sun and this place is of the dark
(By grace, my sight grows stronger and I will not
be a pawn for the Prince of Darkness any longer)
Maybe there's no haven in this world for tender age
My heart beat like the wings of wild birds in a cage
My greatest hope my greatest cause to grieve
And my heart flew from its cage and it bled upon my sleeve
The cries of passion were like wounds that needed healing
I couldn't hear them for the thunder
I was half the naked distance between hell and heaven's ceiling
And he almost pulled me under
Now someone's on the telephone desperate in his pain
Someone's on the bathroom floor doing her cocaine
Someone's got his finger on the button in some room
No one can convince me we aren't gluttons for our doom
I tried to make this place my place
I asked for Providence to smile upon me with his sweet face
But I'll tell you
My place is of the sun and this place is of the dark
I do not feel the romance I do not catch of spark
My place is of the sun and this place is of the dark
(By grace my sight grows stronger, grows stronger)
I do not feel the romance I do not catch the spark
(And I will not be a pawn for the Prince of Darkness any longer)
Indigo Girls, Song Written by Saliers, Emily Ann

In solidarity,

Jane