When the Needle Is More Powerful than the Pen and Sword though Sometimes You Need Both!

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I still have to Re-Put the blog links to the side bar, lost them in translation, LOL, in this new template, and some other goodies, UPDATE: OK well I got half of the blogs back up on the side bar, with a few ones from my other blog that I rarely write on anymore...just not enough time and I had started that one back in my more revolutionary/angry days...it's just a pain in ass to try and weed through, update, edit...a lot has Changed since then and so, the link to here is on that one--it mostly was a blog covering issues in Islam/Women and the betrayals of the far left--that and I got tired of the spam from either the far right or the women haters...just better to leave it. So, whew, I have lost some links I think--on the seeing through eyes of embroidery, I will try to get those Back up this week--and I am leaving this post on top for a while--need to break a bit, and get the research together to pick back up on the landfill series and homeless in America--rise of women including women veterans that I had said, a while back I Would do. Peace, Jane

For any New Readers here, Yes, this blog is NOT your typical Christian blog, it Is dark, often is, I am very honest about my anger, rage, struggle with, what God shows me, including God's correction when I am wrong [and I have been wrong...in many things but not on issues, just more how I relay them, I am not a 'goodie' girl, and so well, yea, you're going to see a lot of Grit here]. It's NOT religion and I HATE RELIGION, more and more...

religion meaning dogma, structures, rules [man's rules] and fascist conformity, I hate it in politics too, been there, done that...I spit that garbage of death out to so many and ate it myself till I was rotten to the Core--toxic, my gosh I was TOXIC

but you Won't find sugary sweet syrup here either, and wanna know something, God don't work in sugary sweet either, it's FAKE...fake fake fake

and People aren't stupid, they See through it. Besides, I Suck at being sugary syrupy sweet--not that I can't be sweet [Jesus is working there] but it's a free type of light sweet, not this heavily plastered kind, honey is good, too much though, can make you sick,

honey can even cause Botulism. Hmmmmmm

photo link http://www.art.com/products/p13833831-sa-i2759254/oxford-scientific-honey-bee-honey-dripping-from-comb.htm

Okie Dokie then...

ok well One lesson I have learned in praying to God on these past few days, about misunderstandings and my rage at Indifference and Apathy esp by privilege and religious and all that--

Love is Patient.

What does that mean? Really, love is Tolerant? NO, no, but I tend to be of the more, er, frustrated I want Change NOW nature...forgetting that I didn't come to this place Overnight and oh, so forgetting, I didn't come here in my self to Begin with--it was God who brought me to this place, not my own goodness or uh, so brilliant Knowledge, that Knowledge for years, reading books I hid behind because you see that was my escape but it was also that Wall I would put up, I'm smart and you're not so I might be demonized and ugly and not liked and not belonging but I have this...my Weapon,

oh yea, I admit it...I've done it. Guilty! Yep, Guilty.

Because I felt awkward and rejection was the demon I so wanted to avoid but I knew I couldn't it was my life so if I only just didn't CARE anymore and so academia and brilliance and knowledge would be My ticket to Freedom--only thing was though,

it couldn't erase, what I was or where I came from...that class was always there, that world was always there and the misogyny was always there, even in academia, why Hannah Ardent was Genius I tell ya, but oh NO, that wasn't Good enough,

the patriarchy [in far left too] just wasn't going to be Happy until they Sexualized her...her letters to Hiedigger and their intimate relationship had to be published and devoured and put on display why She had Sex, just like all women and why that is once more, a woman's place in this world, see, the smart too--it all boils down to She has Sex!.

I wanted to say this in another way but I"m working on that cleaning up language to NOT BE an offense to someone who may be bothered by that language but it IS how the world does do women--if you know what I mean...

and we women play into it too, rejection, that EXILE is so strong and IT HURTS

oh it hurts like hell don't it?

But you know Mao said [I still learn from the polemic, you don't have to swallow the whole loaf but there is sometimes some good elements, maybe nuts or fruit in that loaf] and well, one good fruit he had in his loaf was that Revolution ain't no tea party...

well, that has a bad side to it and a good side...Freedom isn't always nice, you know, truth isn't always puritan and well, pure...truth isn't always sweet--but truth Doesn't rejoice in Iniquity either, see there is that balance

that ying and yang, that what the Chinese say, On the Other Hand...

link: http://fractalyze.blogspot.com/2008/08/ying-yang-arachne.html

the coin with two sides, two faces...Negatives and Positives, even within our cells

there is no life on this planet without Decay--Decay brings life...

the tree and the evergreen that stays green all winter but the trees shed their leaves

the evergreen does not.

Anyhoo, so God is telling me, this frustration, this indignation, this Impatience. don't matter if or why some are the way they are...Love is patient...not all have Read all the books I have, not many women Read war and politics,

so is it Fair then, for me to slam them? NO, not really, are they free from all culpability? NO, not really, we Choose what we WANT to see, we Choose to hide if we want--Privilege, I've done it,

we all have.

But like Ardent said Misery drives the Revolution...there comes a point where misery, cares not for patience or understanding and the women drove at the Battalion [French Revolution] the starving mothers...

link: http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=9627

the Robespierre s will Always be there--waiting, waiting to be THE ABSOLUTE, the male 'gods', many women support the Robespierre s, many women support the Danton's

many women, simply choose to close their eyes and live in the Castle with the feasts while dancing around the blood of the poor and oppressed

for whatever reason

Judas, thought about this a lot too, Judas, he was Furious, at that woman who poured the expensive perfume, why That money could have been used for the POOR, they said, Judas said...Furious he was, why the Roman Empire and the brutality and the beatings and women raped and children enslaved to the temples and the blood thirst sport Why Jesus are you NOT DOING SOMETHING, why, why, why?

What you mean Render to Caesar what is Caesars, why I'll show you...Love, what you mean Love, why Love will get us All killed...later as time passes Judas betrayed Jesus, for money or revolution I don't know, we can only speculate I suppose,

Religion says the point is to Bow to the authorities and embrace the Systems of Evil...that hierarchy why Jesus said so, remember, love thy enemies and do not revolt and the poor will always be and why hey hey we're not to rally for change....no way, why drink the Opiate my friend...

but is That what Jesus really meant?

OR, or could it have been that Jesus KNEW, that any revolt would bring about a Worse Terrorism, the Power of Rome went far beyond the borders of Jerusalem, even IF they revolted why Rome could have gathered her armies and smashed every single Jew and Christian and there would not have been Any evolution, and actually, later, years later After the death of Christ, that IS what happened,

Reactionary Politics Works like that, Reactionary Politics is about FREE ME NOW...FREE ME NOW, it sees through PAIN, it does NOT see through the bigger picture, it does NOT see what lays Behind the 'god's of Empire, or how Extensive the matrix of oppression is,

it only sees the surface of where they sit.

On the Other hand...did Jesus mean we were to Embrace and ASSIMILATE? NO, render to God what is God's...obey as Unto the Lord,

Silver shekel of the Second Jewish Revolt from Rome

link: http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/cm/s/silver_shekel_of_the_second_je.aspx

meaning, like Paul in imprison used wisdom, to say I am Roman Citizen [in Acts], he didn't just bow his head and take the beatings and go, ok well I"m a piss toilet for Christ I love you go ahead and beat me some more...

they Rebuked evil---John the Baptist didn't get killed for eating locust and honey and singing Kumbayah, oh no, He got killed for saying Herod what you are doing IS EVIL

and off his head it went...

that fine line--question is, how to walk in wisdom Without, sitting on the Fence. Patience, knowledge comes power, empowerment...but what Kind of knowledge? Well, I am learning this,

revelation, comes in bits, not all at once--Love is Patient...kind, does not barge its way or forces it's way, Love sees inside, where, we don't,

I don't have that capability, so maybe this is where Prayer comes in, relying on the Spirit, on Power, not on words of brilliance and wisdom...and maybe, knowing that sometimes, many just aren't ready to hear or don't Want to hear...but Jesus, spoke in Parables,

not in lengthy thesis and anti-thesis and well--

ok well I'm getting it.

to those who have ears, let them hear...this is Not about elitism or pious better than thou...it's about, the Spirit knowing the Whole picture and where People are at and well, Trusting Him...

but misery drives the Revolution, not so easy to Trust when one is sitting in THAT place. But maybe, God uses Those, who don't 'hear' to revolt,

life and decay...

oh to See, to Understand...that balance,

the Evergreen, the Elm that has lost her leaves in the dead of winter...winter that is life/water,

for the Birth, in Spring.

There are some blogs I so need to get back up here, the Walk in the Woods, I should get that one up today on the bar.

I also learned, that there are times, one just walks away too, shake the dust off your sandal Jesus said, there is a Season, a Time, for everything,

maybe, the key is, wisdom, is knowing when to speak, when to shut up. That Season,

in the Spirit.

When women have been told to remain silent, to shut up, ALL THE TIME and when she finds the room to Speak--she wants to Scream it from the mountain top, oh yes she does, like a Bird that has been cooped up in a cage for years and her voice slowly dying, no singing, one day that cage door is opened and she takes off and flies onto the highest branch and she hears the Free Birds singing and she opens her beak but no sound comes out,

then one day, it does and it's Loud and it's Fierce and oh, she Sings and Sings and Sings and like a river it is like a Dam that bursts and then the other birds are like, OK now we hear you..

.but some birds you see they've been plopped on their little branches for Years who don't know cage bars and they don't Care to know, that other birds are in them...

and so they look at this Crazy bird with her Screeching Singing loud as a Raven, why she Loves the Raven with her wide wingspan and her Cry of Laughter over the birds who seek seed when she knows,

they may well be her next meal...

the Hawk too...Seasons, and that bird plopped on her branch of privilege and security looks at this screeching bird with Contempt and says, huh, what does this little creature mean coming in here and Stirring up the choral nest here...off you go now you crazy little ugly plucked bird, we don't want to hear about your cage and other cages, take your crazy cage stories to the Ravens...and btw clean yourself up some, your wings look Horrid.

Ah the little bird steams, oh she steams, she screams at the singing canary like birds and says You'll see and off she goes, to find the Raven but the Raven has long gone...

and so the little bird sits alone, voice begins to quiet down and then the old cage bars though not there in steel are there in heart--and she feels the door begin to close and she bows her head...there's a few feathers growing back she could pluck

and then this voice, this Wind blows, and says what's wrong little singing bird, I freed you, what is wrong?

And she says I sing but I don't know how or where, it seems no one wants to hear me sing and the wind speaks around her, there is a Season, my dear little bird, you've come into yours but with everything in Seasons there is a time and place...not all bloom at the same time, or feed the same way but I love them all--as I love you, sing to me little one...one day they will not sing and either they will be gone or they will be in need of the Ravens to sing through the dark and you, little bird, other birds like you, will sing through the dark,

you do not know, how many of those other birds may need to hear your screech then that by that time will have been trained with wisdom and it will be the song that lifts them up out of the cage doors that will clamp down once again or the darkness that settles over all living things,

the winter.

You do not know what is in store...or where it all comes from but I do little bird, so sing to me...and fly with the wind and hear...hear what the winds have to say...

and that screech, will become a song in the night.

There is a Season...a Time, Love is Patient...

the wind speaks,

and I hear,

Love,

Jane - see photo credits below

Singing Bird, from link http://www.flickr.com/groups/birdsphotos/discuss/72157603987216388/

Birds in Tree, from link http://www.destinationknowlton.com/2006/11/spectacular-migration-signals-winters.html

Raven and Canyon, from link http://www.perfectsong.net/news.htm

Raven in Flight, from link http://www.birdwatchireland.ie/LinkClick.aspx?link=850&tabid=570

Bird flying into the Wind, from link http://inever.houlihans.com/artwork-view/16916

Plucked Bird in Cage, from link http://thebirdnerdsrescue.com/LatestRescues.aspx

Birds flying and kiss, from link http://birdwatchingforyou.com/2009/09/birds-migrate-to-the-same-water-every-year/

Cowbird with Mourning Dove, from link http://www.andrewclem.com/Archives/2009/Aug2009.php

Evergreen Tree, from link http://www.majestictreecare.com/Majestic_main/WebLinks/FactSheets/Newsletter_Archive/Newsletter.html

Love,

Jane

http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2010/02/when-child-training-leads-to-abuse-and.html

BUT REMEMBER [SEE POST BELOW--IT'S ABOUT PRO-LIFE HONEY]

I hope, they Do legislate A 'ACCESSORY TO MURDER BILL' AND BEGIN ARRESTING THESE 'MORONS'

btw, Child abuse was NOT in Any covenant 'Jewish Orthodoxy', where they got This I have no idea--there is only one scripture that I know of, in OT about stoning a rebellious TEEN--and from what I read, it was like, a rebellious teen on a Criminal Level--HOWEVER--if you read the ENTIRE JUDAIC LAW and not just one scripture out of CONTEXT--like so many Morons do these days to justify just about every Crime in the book,

the 'laws' were So strict on Every person/and aspect of life then [and they were Stricter in the Laws of the Land of That time and Era that were NOT Judaic] that to have a Rebellious teen on That level, would be somewhat unheard of, not only that, there Obviously wasn't a lot of stoning of teens going on--if you read the Bible and the decay of morals within the tribes of Israel...

why it's vital to read the Entire book--to get a better understanding, and how Dangerous it is, well, and especially for How many Millions of Dollars on Book Sales [like gee, Duh, I say, they are Criminally Liable in my book--wish there Was a prosecutor that Would go after BECAUSE, NOT that it's about Revenge, it Isn't--it's about the FACT that they have made it SAFE for every Nutcase CHILD ABUSER AND CHILD RAPIST TO HIDE IN THE CHURCH...AND NO CHILD,

IS SAFE IN THE CHURCH STRUCTURE THESE DAYS--NOT WITH THESE CULT IDIOTS RUNNING THE SHOW'...

there Has to Be Some Deterrent, or it will Just get worse,

but Hey, I think, that is what God meant, by those Old Testament Laws...it wasn't about Abusing Children, it was about, PREVENTING THE LIKES OF THESE PEOPLE--WHO WOULD MAKE KA CHING, MONEY

TRAINING OTHER GULLIBLE PEOPLE, INTO BELIEVING GOD COMMANDS THEM TO ABUSE AND HOW TO ABUSE,

but then, Hey, what do I know...Right?

Oh, today has just been awful--this world, is just Crazy, and Religion, CRAZIER...seriously...

Jane [see post below--it relates]

CROSS POSTING FROM ANOTHER FORUM, MY REPLIES HERE...

“Ironic how the same women can express such (justifiable) rage over the death of a child at the hands of her QF parents, while simultaneously defending a mother’s “right” to KILL her unborn child.”

My reply:

Yea, and we See how many of these Pro-Lifers [who are also most of them Anti-Birth Control, Anti-ChildCare, Anti-Health Care for low income children, Anti-Assistance for Mothers with Children because why by golly they are amoral, right, all single teen mothers and welfare queens, so What if those kid's starve/are pimped out, etc]
and How many of these Pro-Lifers are Marching on the Streets Demanding
CHILD SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT.
OR
marching on the Streets DEMANDING THE END OF TRAFFICKING/SLAVERY OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN BORN VIA FORCED PREGNANCIES–IN NATIONS WHERE WOMEN DON’T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO
ACCESS TO ‘PRENATAL CARE’ because of OUR polices Against
Birth Control, Abortion and Reproductive Rights…
why that is Why I see All these Pro-Lifers with their Concern for Children Marching against
the Chocolate Industry for the BILLION DOLLARS OF CHOCOLATE WE WOLF DOWN OUR THROATS, MADE BY
OH MY, CHILD SLAVES, SOLD FOR THIRTY DOLLARS A ‘PIECE’,
and all the Cotton we buy farmed by MORE CHILD SLAVES,
and that Includes children Exploited in THIS nation–
because it’s ALL ABOUT
CONCERN FOR CHILDREN.!
And of course, why we see All those PRO-LIFERS
MARCHING BY THE THOUSANDS IN WASHINGTON D.C. TO DEMAND GOVERNMENT TO
DO SOMETHING, ABOUT THESE SO CALLED ‘CHRISTIANS’ WHO TEACH
CHILD ABUSE AND HOW TO ABUSE CLASSES AND CULTS WHO HOLD DOWN GIRLS WHILE THE MEN RAPE THEM
oh yes, I forgot,
it’s All about
CHILDREN’S RIGHTS AND THE CONCERN FOR POOR, LITTLE CHILDREN…
boo hoo
Right, Whatever,
meanwhile, we get a 2 million dollar ad for Family Values,
while How many of those walk by Homeless Children in This nation, IGNORE THEM
that scarf down Slave blood chocolate and other consumer goods [knowingly Made by child slaves in nations where WOMEN CAN'T AFFORD TO CARE FOR 20 KIDS IMPOVERISHED WITH NO WATER, ETC]
and oh, let’s not Even go into the blackmarket Adoption industry, women in America Paying Poor women in India, Exploiting Their wombs because you know American women ARE SPECIAL AND ENTITLED TO CHILDREN
AND SO WHAT IF ONE MORE BROWN WOMAN POOR ‘HEATHEN’ HAS TO SELL HER WOMB TO FEED HER OTHER POOR CHILDREN,
THAT’S, THE ONES WHO LIVE…
while their Sisters Die from High Rates of MATERNAL DEATHS–again, due to NO Reproductive Rights…
why, you’re Right,
you know right, let me know, the Next time there is a HUGE, HUGE PROTEST BY ‘PRO LIFERS’ ON THE PROTECTION OF CHILDREN, ONCE THEY
PASS THAT ‘FETUS’ STAGE,
SO I CAN MARCH WITH THEM…
I’m Sure, by That time, I’ll be probably too old to march [lol] or long Dead,
or Hell will Freeze Over.
Jane

In response to another comment:

against Eugenics--and that 'hidden but sinister philosophy that is, Yes, behind a lot of the pro-abortion movement, I won't deny it, it is There, I've debated them, on many Population Control [that isn't about Reproductive Rights btw but about protecting white hegemony over resources at the expense of forced coerced abortions/sterilizations of women of color in other countries],
so Don’t get me wrong, I know exactly what you are getting at–there IS a real defensive and Hostile ‘anger’ directed towards women that are pro-mother, pro-birth, pro-stay at home, etc.,
Because of the fact that Sadly, there are MEN AND POLEMICS OUT THERE THAT WANT TO ‘FORCE ALL WOMEN INTO THIS’
do these women have a point? Sure they do–
are they right in being hostile to Any woman who does not concur with the anti-mother ideology, NO, they don’t…
but on Both sides, there tends to be this type of self righteous I’m right you’re wrong demonization crap going on…
and well, I don’t know, really maybe this is One area that there won’t be really any solidarity, simply because for one woman having children to her is the greatest thing and so forth…
and nothing wrong with that–on the Other hand,
it doesn’t Stop there, does it?
For years, in This nation [and in other nations] women have been not just fighting for abortion rights [and I don't agree with abortion, but dare let Anyone tell one of my daughters who God forbid were ever ganged raped that they MUST BY LAW have that child...I'd kill them, I swear I would--to me that is the most cold blooded woman hating crap there Is--Especially when they are Forcing, like in one country in Central America a 10 year old to have a child forced on her by Incest-Rape...they Church never DID EXCOMMUNICATE THE SOB WHO RAPED THAT LITTLE GIRL
BUT OH THEY SURE DEMANDED THE THREE WHO TRIED TO ASSIST THIS POOR GIRL [WHO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DIED HAVING THAT CHILD] TO GET AN ABORTION–THEY SLAMMED THEM
and it’s NOT just about Abortion–in My state we had to Fight–to Keep rights to Birth Control [the head spokesperson for this bill an upper class white woman who of course, could probably Pay to get access to if SHE were ever raped or SHE wanted to leave a husband beating the crap out of her and he got her pregnant -- maybe by marital rape--to Keep her in prison to him, not so for women of low income, who ARE in those situs]
how DARE any woman, tell women you Have to have kids because by golly that is OUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF? HOW DARE THEY,
what’s next–Stoning Rape Victims?
I mean…Seriously…
I can See why there are women who get Really Furious over this–as do I…
so, Really, Whose to blame here?
The Women,
or the Men and the Religious Polemics that are HELL BENT, ON FORCING ALL WOMEN
INTO THE DARK AGES, ON OUR BACKS, WITH OUR LEGS IN A CONSTANT V POSITION…
WHILE MEN, ARE FREE TO WALK AWAY AND DO AS THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE,
WITH US, OUR BODIES, OUR CHILDREN, OUR LIVES…
when Women, GET THAT, then it’s not really about Abortion Pro Life,
it’s about, Women. And their Right, to Decide, whether or not, to Have Children…and not be Forced too–
as for abortion as a means of birth control, I’m against it, always have been, I do think it’s gotten Way out of hand…with Freedom Comes RESPONSIBILITY
but Here is the Deal on this too,
Why the Hell, aren’t MEN, if they are SO DAMN CONCERNED ABOUT ABORTION
doing MORE, to PREVENT ABORTIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE–BY HOW THEY ACT–HOW THEY RAPE–HOW THEY ABUSE–HOW THEY REFUSE, TO THIS DAY, TO TAKE
ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR PART IN CREATING A CHILD…
EVER HEARD OF A CONDOM?
Funny, WE NEVER, HEAR ABOUT THAT…
it’s Always, the women pitted against the women
and the Men, get to Play Baby…all the way to the road to freedom.
Jane

In case, thou I doubt, any read here, Why I went off, on one poster in particular, with her Wink, God supports Ethnic Cleansing rhetoric...and Why I will Never post there Again, but what Gets me, is how They Don't see it, but I will say it here, as I doubt, Seriously, they'll post it on there...they usually don't.

My reply today: [yes, I am angry, Darn right I am...]

Though, LOL, I Doubt so seriously this will be posted, YOU, moderator will read, so I will go ahead and post–I was Never going to come back and post again…I was That disgusted, literally, with the Silence, to something What said, that so many missed here but of course, Twisting My words and btw, No I would NOT want any one raped, but I was being Sarcastic in Addressing HER indifference, and her Winking–literally Winking, using God, to diminish, reduce, Justify ETHNIC CLEANSING,

her quote: The reason for killing everybody is to prevent an uprising on the part of the conquered people, because they remain loyal to their original leaders long after they’ve been conquered. Men remain loyal to their rulers. Women remain loyal to their husbands, etc.

Even young boys remain loyal to their fathers, and, when they grow up, they will seek to avenge their parents by killing the children of their conquerors.

However, the same rule does not apply to young girls. Girls and boys in the ancient near east had very different upbringings, and very different personalities. _____

then her later, I guess God is a Genocidal Maniac

END OF HER QUOTE...

Well, Gee, lets see, so I came back at her with take that to my hood and tell that to the women/men here, who ARE descendants of Peoples who HAVE BEEN VICTIMS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING,
Did I get Angry, YOU BET…
and I don’t care if she comes back with the I’m Hispanic, Rwanda is not Black[ that should be they are non-white], but Thousands of WOMEN AND GIRLS WERE RAPED/BUTCHERED UNDER ETHIC CLEANSING…
THERE ARE NO JUSTIFICATIONS FOR ETHNIC CLEANSING AND MASS RAPE…
and I will stand on it, with NO APOLOGY and it should have INFURIATED ANYONE HERE,
for Anyone, to WINK at Ethnic Cleansing, using God,
but not ONE PERSON, NOT ONE, CAME BACK…NOT A ONE….
and You all claim to KNOW God?
Do you have ANY IDEA, HOW INSENSITIVE THAT WINK WAS—DO YOU?
Well let me tell you, THEN you MIGHT UNDERSTAND THE REMARKS I MADE, TO HER, ABOUT HER WHITE PRIVILEGE, HOW ONE DAY THERE WILL BE RETRIBUTION [it's fact, the Bible even says it you Don't go raping/pillaging other nations and be Indifferent to their Suffering and NOT expect one day there NOT to be retribution and in THIS COUNTRY we are headed for it--IF that makes you all Angry I am sorry, but WE are headed for it and we yes sad to say--in a lot of ways, have it coming...from the Ethnic Cleansing of the Native American Indians to Slavery of Asian women [for sex slavery--in early America to today--FACT], to Slavery of African Americans to Jim Crow Laws [and the rapes there of women of color] TO THE POLICES of THIS nation of forced sterilizations [that still go on] OF WOMEN OF COLOR,
to the coups and wars [including yes our men RAPING GIRL CITIZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE HEY, IF IT'S WHITE AMERICA UNDER 'GOD' IT'S OK, RIGHT, WINK WINK],
that our policies have supported for our WEALTH, SECURITY AND STATUS…and OIL, oh yea OIL,
and to Hell with all those THOUSANDS OF WOMEN, ASIAN, AFRICAN, SOUTH AMERICAN, who were raped and ganged raped, in All the wars WE have supported, those ETHNIC CLEANSINGS,
wink wink [do you GET IT YET SISTER WITH YOUR SAFETY AND PRIVILEGE]
with OUR TAX DOLLAR SUPPORT and VOTES,
oh yea, to the Militarization that OUR BOYS helped in the Camps of Forced Prostitution [all over Asia, FACT, those Japanese Comfort women have Never gotten Justice to this day],
to the Bosnian women [whom I worked with] who were gang raped/ETHNIC CLEANSING and with OUR government REFUSING ARMS TO THEIR PEOPLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES
and you, ‘what if’ want to WINK, GOD SUPPORTS THAT DUE TO ‘CULTURE DIFFERENCES’
AND not UNDERSTAND my rage?
I work in Advocacy for Thousands of Women of Color around the world who have been Horribly Raped and Brutalized and LIVES DESTROYED because of ETHNIC CLEANSING…OFTEN SUPPORTED BY USA POLICY VOTED FOR BY RIGHT WING,
I have Talked to Mother’s whose daughters were Horribly gang raped–
and YOU wink?
So, Sure, you go ahead and Demonize me, You’re all Upset about what I said–and you just can’t Figure out Why…
go ahead–but not ONE OF YOU, EVEN THOUGHT, OF WHAT IS WRONG, WITH THE WINK WINK AND THE WHOLE JUSTIFICATION FOR ETHNIC CLEANSING AS RIDDING OF ‘CULTURE DIFFERENCES’
and to that, how THAT MUST SOUND, to the MILLIONS OF GIRLS AND WOMEN who yes, Were horribly raped, lives destroyed, watching their children boiled on Stoves [Bosnia] and how they must Feel to hear,
ANY, ANY, JUSTIFICATION OF THAT, UNDER
GOD?????????
And you Demonize ME?
For throwing your Insensitivity Back in your face, to try and Show you, if that woman
WAS YOU….WAS YOU SISTER,
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?
But oh no, NONE OF YOU COULD EVEN SEE THAT, COULD YOU?
And you don’t know what Privilege is?
Tell your demonization and how Offended you are about Me, to the
women and girls of the Congo
women and girls [who have been BETRAYED by OUR government in AFghanistan by OUR silence of War Dogs who brutally gang rape them, little girls every SINGLE DAY--]
women and girls in Juarez, over 1000 a YEAR, working in OUR SLAVE SWEATSHOPS gang raped, tortured, THEIR BODIES DUMPED IN OUR FIELDS, MANY OF WHOM LEFT THE SOUTHERN CONE [CHIAPAS] THAT YES, AND IN CENTRAL AMERICA WHERE ETHNIC CLEANSING IS GOING ON…
DUMPED LIKE THEY ARE NOTHING BUT ‘TRASH’
I have MET THESE MOTHERS OF DAUGHTERS AND SEEN THEIR TEARS,
you GO TELL THEM HOW OFFENDED YOU ARE AT MY RAGE FOR THEM…AT YOUR, INSENSITIVITY,
WINK WINK I GUESS GOD IS A GENOCIDAL MANIAC BECAUSE IT’S JUST FOR CULTURE DIFFERENCE…
YOU GO TELL IT TO THEM.
HOW DARE YOU,
and then, to have the Gall, to GRIPE, ABOUT OPPRESSION OF WOMEN WITHIN THE CHURCH!!!
YOU don’t get it, do you?
And NO, it wasn’t me, who posted before and caused Moderation–sorry, this has been first time, I ever posted here…so IF you are going to Twist what I say, and I do believe numerous times I was civil and went OUT of my way–to try to communicate,
if YOU ARE GOING TO DEMONIZE ME–then, read All of it…NOT just what offends you because I HIT a Nerve,
The Definition of Ethnic Cleansing [as yes, Genocide]
Genocide: The deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
Ethnic Cleansing: The elimination of an unwanted group from a society, as by genocide or forced migration.
Mass RAPE is Always, one of The biggest Tools to Destroy Whole Societies and Races in Ethnic Cleansing…Women, as Victims,
and You, What if, Winked at that…
oh, no, No way, was I going to Let that, sit. No Way…
btw, I am married to a JEW—ORTHODOX JEW–WHO KNOWS OT LAW BETTER THAN MOST OF YOU,
WHO, BTW, AGREES WITH ME–OF COURSE, THE JEWS HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT
HOLOCAUST, GENOCIDE AND ETHNIC CLEANSING ARE
NOW DON’T THEY?
You BET I’m angry, Any one who SAys to know what Mercy and Love is, in Christ,
SHOULD BE–WHEN THOUSANDS OF WOMEN TODAY ARE BEING RAPED AND BUTCHERED, UNDER ETHNIC CLEANSING AND HATRED…
and God, WINKS AT THIS?
And you don’t know Why I got angry?
Don’t worry about me posting here, I won’t bother–I wouldn’t
WASTE MY TIME.
good bye
Jane --

update,

OH, it gets better, Rather than the moderator Posting the above, so I could not just defend my position and Why I said what I did--and Point to the ISSUES,

instead, it was I read all her posts and well she is just , Ready for this, IS IN PAAAAAIIIIINNN and well Pray for her and she is growing and

ok let me VOMIT NOW.

Good Grief, does it ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ABOUT 'MY PAIN',

uh, What part of ETHNIC CLEANSING GOING ON TODAY--GENDERCIDES, GOING ON TODAY,

THEY DON'T GET?

DO THEY LIVE IN A BUBBLE? HEY GOD, CAN I LIVE IN THAT BUBBLE TOO? JUST PRETEND THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN DON'T EXIST, CAN I IN SOME WAY, FIND IT IN ME TO NOT CRINGE, WHEN I READ ONE MORE STORY OF A WOMAN/HORRIBLY GANG RAPED BECAUSE OH MY GOSH
HER CRIME

SHE IS A 'WOMAN' OF ANOTHER RACE, NATION, ETHNIC GROUP, RELIGION? COUNTRY"

NO, I guess I can't...so, I GUESS,

I AM GOING BACK, 100% TO THE 'SECULAR RADICAL FEMINIST GROUPS, WON'T BOTHER TELLING THEM ABOUT JESUS CUZZ WELL, THEY'VE SEEN THE 'FRUITS OF CHRISTIAN AMERICA JESUS' AND I COULDN'T IN 100 YEARS UNDO THE 'DAMAGE' DONE UNDER CHRISTIANITY-CHURCHIANITY, NO WAY,

BUT, I COULD JUST KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT, AND DO SOMETHING--TO HELP HEAL, ALL THOSE GIRLS/WOMEN/CHILDREN WHO ARE, SADLY, SUFFERING DUE TO

IMPERIALISM, AMERICAN IMPERIALISM
PATRIARCHY
PORN/PORN CULTURE
MILITARIZATION AND THE WHOLE 'BOYS I GOT DICK AND MIGHT CLUB' AND ESP THE RAH RAH WE AMERICAN ENTITLED TO RAPE CLUB [OR IGNORE DESPOTS WHO DO TERRORIZE WOMEN ON MASS SCALE BECAUSE HEY HEY BABY IT'S $$$$$ AND TRADE IS SOOOOOO GOOD]
FEMINIZATION OF POVERTY
RAPING OF LAND/RESOURCES AND LABOR
FORCING PREGNANCIES/REFUSING REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS SO THAT WE HAVE CHEAP LABOR--SO WE CAN BUY THOSE 5.OO TO 12.00 TEESHIRTS MADE BY SLAVE WOMEN BECAUSE HEY, WE ARE 'SPECIAL' AND GOD LIKES US

ETC ETC ETC

I AM GOING BACK TO THE SECULAR, TO WORK WITH THE WOMEN FIGHTING ALL THESE HORRORS...FIGHTING FOR HUMAN RIGHTS,

AND I SUPPOSE, GOOD BYE CHRISTIAN 'WOMEN CHURCHIANITY' CUZZ WELL, I JUST DON'T BELONG WITH YOU...NOT IN AMERICA, THAT'S FOR SURE,

AND THE REALLY FUNNY THING IS, I DON'T WANT TO....BELONG WITH YOU.

MAYBE, THAT'S JUST MY PAAAAAAIIIIIIIINNNNNNN TALKING THOUGH,

YA THINK?

[there ARE a few Christian women who Do Love Christ who have NOT drank the Culture Imperialist Kool-Aid...I love them, two of them Stood up for me on that forum---and I will never forget it, to them, Mara and Madame, Thank you, you truly are, an Example, Light, Christ shines in you,

He really does.

I don't feel so loved by God right now--I really don't, but, oh well--I see the faces of the many women I have met, who have worked in our slave camps, been raped/ [one woman raped by US military in Chiapas, gang raped and our gov covered it up and I met her, face to face], one family I met [a man actually] from Croatia who I learned so much about the horrors of the camps there, the few Muslim women I know personally who have seen Horrors that we can't begin to imagine, living with -- with NO hope,

I see their faces, and many more, hear Their voices, I do love them, I do care, and That, is where my heart is...they may not be Christian, they may not be American, they may not be White, but you know something,

I am a rotten sinner [and have done unmerciful horrible things] to the core and I don't see, how they are any less deserving of mercy or love or relief--than any American Christian woman...and I will NEVER,

TRY TO JUSTIFY, 'ETHNIC CLEANSING' IN SOME SICKO RELIGIOUS WAY---NO WAY,

SO, I GUESS, I'M GOING TO BE AN OUTSIDER, OF THE WHOLE CHRISTIAN CULTURE IN AMERICA...

OKIE DOKIE THEN--

and according to many Christians, I'll go to hell as a result--well, hmmmmmm, lets see, heaven with white elites who don't see anything Wrong with rape/gang rape/ethnic cleansing and can distance from the horrors,

or, to hell, with those who for no reason other than the Color of their Skin or their Nation or their Class or Ethnic Group or Religion, are horribly butchered, raped, tortured, because they were BORN THE WRONG PERSON...IN THE WRONG GROUP, THEY ARE WOMEN WHO ARE PROPERTY OF THE WRONG MEN...

well, hmmmmmm

guess I'll go to hell then. Because really, IF you take that logic, what I read and hear, so much, on Christian forums Including those who Gripe about the Comps and Patriarchs,

I really, don't see much difference in the cold blooded indifference? Which, well, guess that leaves me, back to questioning,

who the Hell are you really Jesus?

Maybe I don't Know anymore...but I know this, the voices of Women, who have been Erased, due to Patriarchy and Religious Justifications for Ethnic Cleansing...THEIR VOICES, THEIR LEGACIES,

IN CASE, ANY 'JESUS' PEOPLE, GIVE A DAMN...

AFTER ALL, IT'S JUST WOMEN AND WELL WOMEN ARE JUST CUM DUMPS ON A RACE-HIERARCHY WORTH LEVEL, RIGHT?????

http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/category/erasure-of-womens-lives/

this is what I know--so much for LOVE eh?

Whatever

http://homesewersneedleworkersunion-hsnwu.blogspot.com/2010/02/feminists-who-sold-us-out-againnext.html

lori gardner said...: One of the problems with blogs is that the reporting is one-sided. The actual vote was to replace the word "Pornography" in the Task Force title with "Objectification of Women'. Bob conveniently neglected to mention this. He has also done this by posting the snippets of the discourse and he has quoted them out of context. He has quoted people's arguments against the word pornography, but not posted other arguments for using "objectification of women." Our concerns with pornography are (and have always been) that it objectifies or exploits women. Our belief was that it (the new name) sent a clearer message to oppose all media content that objectifies women. This could also include content that is not categorized as pornography. It would exclude content that some may consider pornography on moral grounds. We do not want to make moral judgements. We want to raise women up. We want the world to see women as whole individuals, not two dimensional sex objects. The majority of the NOW-NYS Board felt that this change better accomplished our goal. It was also suggested to Bob Brannon that they could change the Task Force name to the "NOW-NYS Task Force against the Sexual Exploitation of Women". This title was also refused. What is this really about? This is really about another male who thinks he should be in control of women. Do not mistake Bob's power struggle as a sign of our weakening position for women's rights. We believe in and protect the rights of all women to have autonomy and control of their own bodies. We have not faltered in our fight to ensure that women are regarded as equals and full human beings--not sex objects, baby makers and housekeepers. lori Gardner
February 25, 2010 7:55 AM
JaneDoeThreads said...: Thank you for clearing that up Lori, and I will be posting this to the top today--however, why not include Both Pornography and Objectification? It does come across as a type of apologetic, a retreat--the language of 'objectification of women' while yes, feminists may understand this, could still be construed by the pro-porn lot to exclude pornography From that, with the whole 'well women Choose that as a form of sexual empowerment' line we hear and we move ten steps backwards, not forwards. With the increase of sex slavery-trafficking I for one, do not believe we should in Any way, soften the language, or retreat, no matter HOW prudish it may be viewed by many or how many will attempt to silence the anti-porn feminist with the 'labeling us as extreme' when in fact, thousands upon thousands are enslaved By the sex industry, younger and younger, all over the globe, and including trafficked INTO this nation, and those numbers are growing. Why soften the language now? I say, NO, I say, we keep the Language up, Against Porn, Against the Normalization of All sexual exploitation--and Stop, sugar coating or 'softening' the Reality, just to be more congenial, women are DYING, this is FAR MORE, THAN WOMEN, BEING SEX OBJECTS, BABY MAKERS AND HOUSEKEEPERS... women and children are BLEEDING, FOR PORN. keep the anti-Pornography Statement IN. And be Non-Compromising About it. In solidarity, Jane I want to add, I am NOT saying [I should have wrote this better], that it isn't important to confront the baby makers, housekeepers, etc., construct, and that isn't what I mean... I concur, we Should lift women up, However, I don't believe we Lift women up, globally especially, by removing Pornography, and then just clumping objectification all together, it's like how the term trafficking is used, to in a way soften the Reality [in the reader's mind] of Slavery and Sex Slavery, it's like a type of 'white wash', I say, keep the ANTI-PORNOGRAPHY LANGUAGE IN...because Porn, the Porn Culture, the Porn-Sex Industry, is a WARFARE, AGAINST ALL WOMEN...period. And its becoming more so, the More it is Normalized, in Any way, the worse it will get, that is what I believe. Jane

[see other New Post Below, important Update on the Anti-Porn Front]

In solidarity,

Jane

Please Forward to Whomever Should Know

For the past 20 years, New York State NOW has had an active Task Force, addressing the harms to women and girls from the Pornography industry, and the broader sex industry including the use of women and girls in Trafficking & Prostitution.

The NYS NOW Council has just voted (on 2/20/2010) that the Task Force should drop the word “Pornography” from its Title, and remove all reference to “pornography” from its work. In response, we have resigned as Task Force Leaders.

The following feminists are on record stating that Pornography issues SHOULD be discussed by feminists:
Carolyn Maloney, Gloria Steinem, Alice Walker, Catharine MacKinnon, Norma Ramos, Dorchen Leidholdt, Jane Manning, Phyllis Frank, Robin Morgan, Sonia Ossario, Carol Urban, Phyllis Chesler, Julie Kirshner, Audre Lorde, Shirley Ranz, Molly Yard, Ellie Smeal, Rachellle Suissa, Susan Brownmiller, Marge Piercy, Taina Bien-Amie, Letty Pogrebin, Lois Reckitt, Charlotte Watson, Judy Murphy, Sherry Rogers, Diana Russell, Ariel Levy, Maya Angelou, Rachel Lloyd, Laura Lederer, Meg Baldwin, Evelina Giobbe, Kathleen Barry, Pauline Bart, Gail Dines, Ann Jones, Melissa Farley, Janice Raymond, Twiss Butler, Charlotte Bunch, Peggy Reeves Sanday, Rose Garrity, Clarice Pollack, Kate Millet, Jennifer Robinson, Nancy Henley, Louise Armstrong, Donna Hughes, Christine Stark, Bob Jensen, Ann Simonton, Samantha Berg, Sandra Hunicutt, Susan Hunter, Robert Brannon, Rebecca Wisnant, Sally Roesch Wagner...

For your information, these are some of the statements/arguments, about why to drop use of the word “pornography, that were posted by State NOW Leaders just before the vote:

“We should not have a task force with porn in the title.” “I used to free-lance as the girl-singer in on of the last burlesque shows in Manhattan. Believe me the strippers, some of whom were also prostitutes, were far freer than the women whose husbands they entertained.” “All I’m asking is that we take the puritanical, limiting “pornography” header off our title.” “Objections to "pornography" can portray our organization as prudes, who are upset with the sight of a naked body.” “Our organization should not be in the business of endangering the First Amendment.” “The Right Wing considers lesbians and gays, abortion and birth control, along with AIDS education "pornographic." We need to not play into this.” “Even the courts cannot define pornography and we all define porn differently.” “the fundamentalists are burning Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet as “kiddy-porn”

For the feminist - historical record, the following NYS leaders led this campaign to remove pornography as an issue that NOW’s is concerned with: Marilyn Fitterman, Sandy Rapp, Lori Gardner, Barbara Kirkpatrick, Gaby Moreno, & and NYS NOW President Marcia Pappas (NewYorkStateNOW@aol.com).

As the former leaders of the State Task Group, we will continue to study and discuss the harms that occur to women and girls from pornography, the sex industry, and being used in trafficking and prostitution, in conjunction with other feminist organizations that share this concern.

We regret that NYS NOW does not. For those interested, some of our work is attached. Phyllis B. Frank & Dr. Robert Brannon, former Co-Chairs, Task Force on Trafficking, Pornography, and Prostitution PBFrank@aol.com Rbran999@aol.com

Greenconsciousness Notes:

People would understand if the Task Force would teach what the alternative to porn is actually.Meaning a deep discussion of the nature of the product which they do teach and the alternative (which they do not teach). Porn is the only sex educator. They cornered the market.

If life drawing of nude models were done in grade school starting with kindergarten, young children would not be so needy of porn to learn and understand what their own bodies look like, as well as the body of the opposite sex.

Dolls should be atomically correct and always used for sex education. No doll should be made without genitalia. NOW should sell such dolls while making the point that education is the alternative to porn. Young children should be taught the names of the parts of the body using the dolls and life pictures.

As they turn 7-12 years old children should be given sex ed complete with videos showing masturbation and intercourse in a straightforward way without the porn aspect. Such videos exist and can be shown in sex segregated classrooms. Parents can attend these lectures - mothers in their daughters classroom - fathers with their sons or in a separate class for single parents. But since there are so many sex offenders among the parents it is best not to mix adult genders with children in sex ed classes.

The answer to the porn lie is not repression which never works and not porn or sexual preference advocacy which is slyly done by some teachers (both homo and heterosexual advocacy should be discouraged).

Instead sex ed should consist of definitions and accurate, straightforward, honest information complete with a discussion of the hormonal changes, adolescent lack of impulse control and disease symptoms and consequences.

Such classes should include the reproductive system of both sexes and birth control as well as trips to planned parenthood clinics.

Parents can teach morality but all citizens in a secular society should be educated about their bodies and the bodies of the opposite sex. Life drawing with discussions about the human body, pictures, videos, genitally correct dolls; everything available should be used to show the difference between actual sexuality and the commercialized versions sold by cable and films. Children should be educated about the exploitive aspects of sex role commercialization, what happens to the beauty queens of playboy and hustler?

From 13 to 17 children can learn about STDs and the state laws regarding age of consent and related statutes. I would suggest reading some sex registry cases. They might be taught how difficult a pardon is to obtain. NOW's porn task force should be sure that it is made clear their objection is to commercialized actions with exploited adult survivors - not to free expression of uncommercialized sexuality.

But more than a lack of evolving toward sexual self-sufficiency goals on the part of the porn TF is involved in the NY action to eliminate it. The vote is a political decision reflecting the prevailing ethic in the straight/gay male and transgendered community of NY. The decision to eliminate work on pornography reflects a failure in the intersectional model of feminist expression. The main criticism of intersectional feminism is that a desire to be accepting and accepted (that is, politically correct) overcomes the analysis of the question in terms of what is good for women? The look at gender roles; the reinforcement of childhood trauma; the roots of the need for more; the need itself often in opposition to the body's natural inclination to let go of a diminishing desire for sexual contact.

The personal is political. How do women experience porn; what age do they start, how does porn reflect a deepening understanding of an individual's sexuality and what reality can be taught instead, when do girls learn about their bodies and how; baby beauty pageants, etc. We look at the women in groups like SAGE to answer the loud voices of the ex strippers many of whom were not born female.

Feminist ask, how we can expand freedom and equality, not how we can restrict other born women. First, it is necessary to expose the explotation that fuels the industry. The victimized have their own definitions of free will and consent. Feminism is their voice. Porn is the voice of the user/exploiter. Feminism tries to express the reality of born women's actual experiences as opposed to the labels that others (users) put on female behavior. Who ultimately defines reality shapes the world in which all women must live.

The vote to eliminate the porn focus reflects an acceptance of a patriarchal model of sexuality based on dominance submission commercialized to sell sex as an addictive drug with chemically treated, altered, women and children as the commercialized sex fantasy objects for sale.

Here in the vote's outcome, feminist analysis lost to the politically correct demands of left males. Feminism tells the other half of the story - the story of the acted upon objects of porn's fantasy world. Feminism exposes the roots of sexual fantasy in the merging of sexual identity with intense patterns of parental interactions. This quest for the truth of the experience in this business, directs subsequent feminist political actions. The best of these are global laws increasing the focus on eliminating pimps and escort services.

http://www.greenconsciousness.org/weblog/2010/02/please-forward-to-whomever-should-know.html#comments

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will be writing on this, later today--check back...BTW, you might have noticed some more changes to the blog...I have been getting a lot of answers in prayer{see post below--NO, I am not going traditional, still very much feminist and pro-women's human rights, just seeing some things from spiritual and not simply just of philosophical or from my anger} ...one post I took down but I will be putting it back up, on why marriage or the institution of needs to be revised or tore down...I will be editing, and will put up at later date.

Again, bear with me while I work through some things here but I am getting answers...in prayer, not Religious answers {man made religion}, and in spending time in the Word...will be picking up on

Dead Men don't Rape, or Do they? That and the essay on the blog, which is why I posted it above, because I want to write about that...the division between Sisterhood, and, the Veil in the Bible,

what it means...and it's NOT what you may think. [it is not traditional teaching of church NOR has anything to do with the whole to veil or not to veil debate--though it touches on that...]

Also, the GARDENING section to the blog roll [side] has been added...more on this later next week!

Jane

Lately I've been letting loose at the mouth/writing a bit, prayed about this last night, while I am yes, really confronting what I strongly believe are a lot of misogynist and horrid doctrines and well the entire church culture is warped, and the harm it's caused in my life, dealing with the lost or stolen years that I can't get back, the anger, rage,

because I believed in a lot of those doctrines Even when I wasn't following Christ [backslid for years] I still believed in them and they did damage...internalizations you know so in coming back and dealing with these doctrines and well, the Culture more than anything, a lot of that anger is coming to surface and well, the Realization, of just how much I was indoctrinated...

anyway so I pray last night and I am separating from the culture per se but I do need to be careful to not allow myself to be pulled into another abyss of hate, wrath and anger that is just the other side of the coin. I removed one foul word [from the side bar] but not all from the blog posts [there were a few] and because, well,

the Anger and Rage are real...from real Pain, not just my own but what I identify with that Other women feel and that I know because I read their stories and hear them...and for too long we have been Denied our rage and we have a God right to yes, Anger at being violated. WE sure do, it's though to be angry and sin not. I don't walk the perfect life and I'm NOT going to pretend here that I do,

because I am human, not saying that in this cliche crap way but I bleed, crap, vomit, cry, hurt, desire, just like you, just like every other human in this world, and one thing that really annoys me about Christiandom is this tendency to put on these false airs that we are somehow now that we are Saved just immune from these things...sure we are to rise above them and not be controlled by them but you know something, that takes God's power and walking through things and dealing with things and they don't come with formulas and they Sure as heck don't come through false, phony Religious pious pretense.

Sometimes I like to use not so good language, I like the grit because grit to me is Real, IF someone was torturing me I don't think I'd be whispering this pious feminine 'ouch'!. I'm sure I'd be screaming and probably begging God and probably even yelling at God, I don't know,

right now I can tell you I wouldn't be going, OH that's o.k. God loves you and I forgive you and I'm just fine,

hardly. I'd have to pray like mad and just hope, see That to me, is Real...and every day, I do get, yes, better at handling the rage, I'm not Anywhere like I was, two years ago. But I do have those moments...

so why do I not put up this blog etiquette pretense goodie two shoes, why? Because don't we have enough Lies in our world? The reason I think people don't embrace Jesus is because there has been this false piousness crap or this Overcompensation crap to try to get people to accept,

and well, one, I'm just too dang old to play those games and two, I know what my nature is you see because I did backslide and not only that I was Horrible and so I know, the ONLY reason I am even back at a place of faith IS BECAUSE OF HIS GRACE AND NOTHING MORE THAN HIS MERCY...

I know that...so for me to sit here and put up this religious pretense would be even more a LIE to you and to myself and to God. One thing I learned, outside of the 'religious church box' is what that scripture meant by the 'honest and truthful heart' that keeps the word bears fruit in time....

that is After the 1. seed is stolen from Satan from the heart, 2. heart is rocky and no root so seed can't grow and 3. heart is full of weeds that choke out the word/seed --weeds is cares, strongholds, what have you...Then, its 4. honest and truthful heart,

you got to get to the honest and Truthful heart First---going through the four stages....not, four types of People,

like it's taught.

There is no such thing [spiritually speaking where God is concerned] as a good/honest heart Without regeneration/work...Religion hides truth by always putting up this false goodness pretense to Avoid what is really in the heart, which Jesus says is Evil...for years, I professed the 'good' when in actuality, there was nothing Good in the heart,

know what I mean...so I'm working at that place where I'm dealing with Truth, about myself, the world, what I learned, doctrines, sorting through the manure so to speak...and being a Woman, I also have to sort/dig through the piles of manure in misogynist and patriarchal doctrines.

So, occasionally when I realize--just how much the internalizations have done damage, yea, I get mad, I get really mad, sometimes I get mad at God.

So, I'm working through some things...but I will say this, God is good, He is patient, He always works with me, I sort of can tell more now when I do something that pisses Him off or displeases Him, the Way I may address something or voice my rage/anger...I know that, at the same time,

it's important not to hide that anger because there are so many women who are wounded and people who are hurting and if we always just put on this optimist phony religious fake--how will anyone really, see God, not us? It's not ME that improves, you see,

it's God working IN me...It really is, hey I'm just like you, ok maybe not, maybe I'm worse than you...probably am, I come from the wrong side of the tracks and well, I just not going to hide it anymore. But I know too, learning what Love is and what Love isn't,

that words are to Life you up, not tear down...I still don't know how to always walk that and not be untrue to truth, you know, where hurt and damage and harm come in...I do NOT in any way, want to Diminish the harm and hurt and reality of the lives and experience of women, of myself as a Woman...to fit into some nice little neat Christian mold, I can't stand them in fact,

because Truth is, it's NOT easy, to walk in Love and to sort through what it is to love thy enemy than not being a passive recipient of abuse especially where gender constructs in religion are concerned...women have been sold so much abusive and self-debasing garbage in religion that is not what Christ told us,

but it's not easy, to always sort....to discern.

But I think, being Honest, really brutally honest [no matter how ugly it is] is a start--how else to get there, until one is honest,

to see the darkness and bring it into the light.

I spent Years avoiding that darkness in myself and faking my way through or avoiding and transferring to other things like political to not see, to not deal, to not feel, really,

and it killed, rotted, spiritually killed and I won't do it anymore. I want what is Real, and that is when for me, I learned Jesus Was real,

not some figment of imagination [though I have my moments I question] and not just some man made religion [I questioned that a lot too] but I learned, He was and IS real, when I dropped the bull and pretense and lies and just got honest with Him,

about ALL OF IT,

so, yea, the language isn't good, the thing is, about anger, that I got to be careful with is that anger is like a fire...you put a little kindling in it and it can get out of control, and spreads...while women do yes, have a lot of anger,

if we are in that fire of anger, the wrath [the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God] well, we can't really be free on the inside nor can we truly liberate anyone...because that fire will just burn us up. It clouds our thinking...

so, I"m learning, bit here, bit there, but to get to that place I also have to find healing and that was another thing that being Religious, denied me. The formulas, the claiming, the oh I forgive [when in heart I was angry at God because it was like this having to 'accept' their abuse at my expense and this belief that God made me to be a piss toilet for many] and well, had to get healed of a lot of that and it took getting OUT of religion, to get to that place.

It's not 'wisdom' that comes from age either because I know a lot of older people who are bitter to the core....

it really does come from being real, from dropping pretense and just being truthful with God, with one's self, ugliness and all, seeing that nature and then, seeing, HIM, what HIS Grace really is,

and I'm learning that NOW. But old memories and life experiences often cloud what I see in Him, we don't live in a world of Love...oh, there is 'good' but that good is always got that taint of evil there,

to see Pure Love in God, takes time, time in prayer, searching, questioning, wrestling and waiting...being broken, being restored.

So, yea, if you come here and think, well how can she be this but that..well, because it's real, that's why...because I walk through and sometimes it's good but something can trigger [past abuse, long story] and the old stuff comes up and I find there is Something else, not dealt with...or sorted through,

or healed.

I want to be real here...so you can see, maybe too so you can feel comfortable in your own skin and know, God loves you where you are right now, where you are at....

I believe being born again is a process...not just a one time Boom then it's done and you're all fine and dandy now...oh no, it IS yes, a dying daily, to the old nature, but there is more to it than that, IF there wasn't,

why would Paul write, the letters he did? Put away from you this, this, walk in love, be kind, etc., IF it was just instantaneous, there would not be Need for that, would there?

But it's a growth process--for women, we've been told to fit into these nice little submissive quiet boxes and to just put up with what ever crap was dished/is dished out to us AND hearing on top of that that we are inferior, evil, put here to be fields to be plowed, etc etc etc and all by the Hand of GOD,

you know, then try to reconcile that with the Love of God? It can't be done...unless one, Denies and lives a cognitive dissonance and lies to herself...stuff, stuff, stuff,

or

just slowly dies inside, a soul death that will turn into hate, that is Projected onto others and in this self righteousness way and her empowerment will come from making Darn sure no other woman is free or empowered but just as miserable as She is,

or,

she'll just say to hell with it and totally reject God and go off to something else.

I've gone through, all of those, but I had some experiences where I really can't deny God, I just can't, but I can't deny what I know is real either, so what to Do then?

Well, I"m taking it to the Light, being real, questioning, writing, advocating, and plugging through the muck and mire and well--He is merciful and He does answer...He really does. He answered me on a lot of things last night--I can't stress enough, how necessary to a woman's spiritual and soul self to just sit with God, with Jesus, and just be real and pray and talk to Him and not tell Him what Religion says [that includes those mental doctrines we hang on so dearly too in denial because we're afraid to say God this sucks I don't like it I think you're horrid here, you know],

but IF you come to Him, and just be real, and Seek Him, He IS FAITHFUL,

he's not a Man nor is he Like Man...He don't ridicule or condemn or reject or remind you of your 'woman' status,

the enemy sure will, and I had to learn to Press ON through those lies/guilt...to keep pressing and to keep seeking.

I wish I could sit here and tell you that all is fine and well and that Wow, I found it and now I'm fine, but I am learning too, it don't work that way either...because one little thing, said or remembered or something happens and it's like I'm back to square one all over again,

but I am seeing it's not as bad as before....but I do struggle with Doubts, I do have those moments I think, you know this is all just bunk and I"m crazy...or times I just want to rebel, oh yea I have those, or I'll rationalize [probably more the latter], or procrastinate,

there are dark times--where I just want to curl up in a ball and freeze into ice, to make it all go away,

but I am seeing that He reaches me, to call on Him, even when I don't want to...and He is there...He really is and last night,

He told me this...I cried and cried about the woman haters and God did you really hate women and question after question and Why don't you or Why didn't you have a female counterpart or Something female women could identify with...I go through those moments [though He has shown me a lot in scripture about His yes, female side--God is Spirit, not male or female but I believe, both..hard to explain],

and one thing, that came to me, the Patriarchs, HATED JESUS, the small voice said, they Hated me...never forget that, the Patriarchs rejected God on Earth, they rejected Jesus. The Patriarchs...

don't Define who God is by what Patriarchy says...

go to the Source, that, is what I am learning...and it is, precious...it really is. Breathe of Life, it really is...

Love, in Solidarity,

Jane

I got censored on one of those Christian boards because I pissed off a few 'white upper class Diva's who didn't like the fact that I called them on their beauty standard bullshit for women/patriarchy, etc.

Well, it appears, I am not the only one that sees what is so Deplorable and that feeds into that whole women as orifices to be fucked, raped, sold, owned, traded, garbage mentality that is So PREVALENT AMONG MEN, SOCIETIES AND YES, RELIGION [CHRISTIANDOM INCLUDED].

The whole Beauty Value of women being paraded around in churches and women holding onto that BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY VALUE THEY TRULY HAVE--CAN THEY GET A MAN'S DICK TO RISE, then they whine because they get no Respect nor Human Rights, arrrgh

well Thank God there are Some women out in the world that aren't so damn gullible and stupid.

Here ya go, She says it the Best, a comment, reply in regards to the Indoctrination Garbage by Hillsong in you guessed it, SCHOOLS TO YOUNG GIRLS. What's next folks, Stripping classes and vagina exercises so they'll be Primed for Husbands? Give me a break, seriously...Christiandom today makes me want to PUKE.

her comment, actually a Reply to some Dingbat Patriarchal Loon, commenting why its good for Hillsong to go into schools and teach young girls that their 'value' is the Gunk they put on their faces, link to Entire thing, below:

Wow, because the Virgin/ Whore dichotomy is so empowerful.

These girls wouldn’t need tips for looking great if it wasn’t for gender roles and crappy beauty ideals. Looking great would mean looking healthy/ happy, not someone who combines a painted face with certain body types.

I don’t have to have an alternative to point out something is crap. Recognising the problem is the first step towards changing or destroying it. As it happens, in this case I do have an alternative, teach feminism in high schools. Teach students not only are they worth more than a one night stand, they’re worth more than a life of slavery, teach them that a one night stand doesn’t define who they are, and that sex is nothing to be ashamed of.

If you’ve actually read the comments thread then you know what Hillsong’s track record is. I think any program sponsored by them deserves hearty scepticism. Maybe you should look inside before the Trojan Horse before letting it into the gates. But what would I know, being a student? You clearly know what’s best for me without listening to me. I guess it’s my job to be indoctrinated.

As to people telling girls to stand up for themselves, well that is your job. Regardless of whether you get a program with shiny participation certificates or whether you just teach it to them in classes. It is your job to make sure the curriculum includes acknowledgements of possibilities beyond PIV sex and that boyfriends don’t need to own their girlfriends. Teach girls to support each other in those big dreams. Listen to them and address their concerns and feelings. Yeah, maybe try that instead of a makeover.

YOU GOT TO READ IT TO BELIEVE THIS GARBAGE--WHAT WILL THESE BACKWARDS PATRIARCHAL WAR DOG IDIOTS DO NEXT...

http://hellonhairylegs.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/hillsong-and-the-shine-program/

So, while the so called Christiandom lets prime girls to be submissive dick suckers [sorry my tolerance is UP today with this misogynist garbage called Christ like -- it isn't, btw, read Bible, turn the churches OFF], anyway,

while they are doing that, waving their all American flags and God and Men and all that,

here's what is happening to 10 year old girls, being sold and forced into prostitution from Iraq,

all of course, under the watchful eye of One Nation under God. [feel sick yet? if not, then you might have that women as cum dump indoctrination patriarchal disease]

http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2008/08/10/suki-falconberg-ms-iraq-comments-on-the-prostitution-of-iraqi-women-and-girls/

REMEMBER THOUGH, ITS ALL ABOUT VALUE OF GIRLS AND FAMILY VALUES AND RESPECT FOR LIFE,

yea, er, you mean, white Male life. LOL

I never connected this before today, why I became interested in the fighting cotton trafficking [slavery], the two didn't connect,

until today.

I knew she died of brown lung disease, that is what they called it, I knew she had her lungs scraped once [what they did then], I knew her alcoholism was a huge part of the disease because the doctors told my mother her lungs were so eaten up...that the alcohol dulled the pain.

But I never linked it to why I would this past year, begin to lobby on ethical consumption, it never occurred to me, that these children were risking lung disease [not risk, guaranteed], in Uzbekistan and elsewhere.

You know you just don't put these things together, for me personally I had always been interested in my Nana's cotton years where issues of race were concerned...her life was a mystery to us...she was somewhat private. I knew she had been raped at the age of 12 by an uncle or someone who worked with her, when she was working the cotton fields, that was something we didn't' talk about,

it would explain a lot though...what had passed down, through generations. It would explain, a lot but then it wouldn't, always gaps...

I had a dream today, another one, I have many, always of children's homes [lived in one at age of 14], what it means I don't know...but today, I had one [was up all night doing laundry so my daughter would have her uniform ready at 5 this morning, she didn't get off until 11 last night so I pulled an all nighter and slept this morning for a few] but anyway, had a dream about my Nana, again,

her last name. You see what is even more odd, is that there is a study being done right now [has been for years] about the Mystery of that name, Gurganus, they are even doing DNA tests, to find the Origin of that name. Eastern Europe, is what they sort of think--which, odd my Nana, taught me a lot of embroidery that was more of the Eastern Europe--she had those tastes,

but I thought that might be attributed to the Italian side of family [Nano was full blood Italian].

But what is more difficult, in following family line there is that she had been married prior to him, we know nothing there and well, the family other than brother and me and a lot of Italian cousins whom I do not know anything except they live in CA and I know the last name...well,

the family I could have gotten info from, are all dead. My mother kept us from knowing them---long story,

anyway, so there are these like, Weird and I do mean Weird gaps, that I've been seeing, like my father's mother having a Jewish name, that I saw, on his birth certificate, only three docs of him, I have [that I got after he died, I didn't know him, we left him when I was six years of age and I would never see him again].

He was staunch Catholic [so was my mother, my Nana was not but rest of family was] and his family, all from D.C. area...Irish, he was also a shriner ? [thought maybe Mason but think it was that branch that is Catholic, not mason but something else...like the Mason's though],

all I know there--some strange findings there too, because all that side, works in Politics. Government...

my Nano's Italian side, history of crime [Mafia--what rung I do not know, but I will never forget finding a court doc online, with my granddad {Nano} whom, due to that one case, numerous criminal cases would be thrown out of court--due to, technicalities, he was a bookie, I knew that, that wasn't a secret in family, I do know, my uncle would tell us, there is only ONE way out of that life, the HORIZONTAL WAY, it may have a lot to do with Why my mother kept that part of family secret, though I did meet many of my cousins in CA when I was seven and eight years old--and my uncles, aunts, my great Nano, whom I now have a photo of, from the Old Country they would say, she spoke Italian, wore the black that widows wore--and the picture of her, she is doing needlework...if you can believe that, though I was cut out of that photo, along with all the other photos but one--again, long story, related to the abuse, but a couple of my uncles on that side served years in prison, so, yea, who knows...but strange, one side crime another politics, would explain why I was drawn to some of the loser men, LOL],

yea, like weird, my Nana--cotton farmer/poor, and from her, Nothing, on her side that is, other than an old aunt whom I'm sure is dead..South Carolina.

But the one thing, I had, to go on, doing some search because occasionally, because it was Her, who was the only Mother connection on an emotional level I had, growing up...now and then I'll look over on the Gurganus Family Tree investigative site [it's a huge project] to see what they have found...

it's the only Identity I have, that has meaning...and I remembered her having the lung operation, she talked about it a lot. So I looked it up and why I never noticed the connection before, I don't know,

but then, I did, and thought of all the cotton slavery today, and then I sort of knew, that maybe God is restoring, maybe, or there is work for justice, for what killed my Nana.

I don't know, but weird, you know...

so, I am doing some research on this brown lung disease, and sure enough, many workers in Cotton farming/textiles were killed, with this disease from South and North Carolina.

see: http://healthmad.com/conditions-and-diseases/byssinosis-the-brown-lung-disease-on-textile-workers/

I am seeing these Weird connections in my life/family line, from the Venus that terrified me as child [abuse, long story] to the obsession my mother had with the Holocaust History [and I would learn before age of 10, the gory details there] and one of my daughters Native American Indian [genocide in her ethnic history] and the Italian side [Columbus day protests ring a ironic twist for me] and the Irish side and my marriage to a Brit whose family was very prejudice towards Irish and the look/slam from his mother when she learned of my father's last name...

just weird...and my passion for human rights.

Coincidence?

I think not.

And then, this blog--Needle Worker's And Sewers Union...you know I wasn't even aware of the cotton slavery, when I began this blog, Sweatshops yes, that I knew about,s

but not the cotton slavery and well,

weird. But weird in a Good way, because its like these threads, I don't know, where they will lead,

but remember that Quilt, I mentioned in earlier post?

and the dreams....the one this morning,

I just wish, I could fill these gaps and unanswered questions, the disconnects...why so many gaps? It's like my brother and I came from a family but there is no family to find...so much secrecy and disconnecting,

with only bits here and there. Then the children's home, what that means, I am no sure, but it has something to do with my always wanting to run, not ever feeling at home anywhere, inability to connect and commit,

including with God. Hard to explain but something there...and its like God is showing me, the pieces, what they mean,

I don't know. I really don't, but the fragments, are most definitely, fragments, and they go way, way back, before I was born. This may not be as odd as it appears, remember,

Tree of Knowledge, Tree of Life--we all, come from that Tree of Knowledge.

Another strange thing, my Nana's name, is very common name, among Latina women, not white women. And I always identified and felt more in my skin among Latina women, always have...I attributed that to the Italian culture,

but maybe there is more to it. IF I had the money I'd get a DNA test, I'd like to know...is it important? Maybe not really, but this is one of those things that has always bugged me, like tugging at me, maybe,

that is what those dreams of my walking the halls of children's homes means...lived in one for a year, orphanage, my mother one day, I came home, barely 14, a minute late...she said, Ha, I don't have to worry about you anymore, you're going away tomorrow. She had told the juvenile officer [jerk] I was dealing drugs [didn't even use drugs] and that I was a Whore...so all the way [three hour drive] to this orphanage [Catholic run by Nuns] all he asked me was who I slept with,

I was barely 14, and a VIRGIN. [well other than the abuse] but, you know, like Wonderful...

he was a perv misogynist, she, well, had issues that I won't go into here, and the orphanage, 100+ kids, no teen boys, they weren't allowed, once they hit twelve they were sent to boy's ranches. I remember the Nuns, the forced morning visits to the Mass and Thursday evening and chores [institution like place] and reading Cosmo with another girl in Mass [6 in morning, lol] in the back, until we were caught by a Sister, my alone visits in the upper room where I would play the organ [it was this small prayer room, no one used of course including Nuns and Priests] and it was my hiding place, I would read Harlequins and other trashy novels then, LOL, like good grief...had a job at library though--loved that, of course I loved books--another hiding place,

funny now I look back and I can see where God, was trying to reach me then, trying to save me, but I was too wounded and angry to understand then--but I did, call the Sisters, one in particular who tough, from Austria, would try to reach me until I just got too out of hand and they could not deal with me, I would call this orphanage in the nineties, talk to this one Siser, I'll never forget, I told her I found God, she told me, that she did Love me, I cried...I have her so much hell, I really did. They couldn't have reached me no matter what, it wasn't their love I wanted you see, it was my Mother's, and I would never, have that...it just wasn't going to be, and it never did come to be. I'm glad I did call them though, the orphanage closed down, shortly after that--it's no more and there isn't many of them left. Why mother didn't sign me off as Ward of State I will never know--if she had of, I would have been better off, IF I would have stayed in that home--I may have gone to college, at an earlier time, they tended to give scholarships to the girls there--but I just couldn't shake off the anger/rage nor my first boyfriend whom I was madly in love with [mother separated us too] and well, he would tire of my virginity and would find a girl whom, wasn't hung up on virginity...that was one thing, I at that time--promised God. Of course, my first husband, at 16, one month before turning 17, I ran away you see and he was there, to rescue my dumb ass, he was cute, I thought, five years older-- repaid that kindness with his fists..[a marriage that lasted a year, till I ran away from him and his fists and the death threat that I knew, he'd probably carry out] so much for that ole Virginity garbage, LOL. IT was downhilll from there...not even 18, already scarred...my first experience with a boy, whom I liked, was an attempted rape--yea, funny, his Christian aunt rescued my ass that time--I was twelve I think? Funny how I remember these things,

Anyway, my restlessness, after a year, too much for them to handle--back to Mommy I went--she was NOT happy, and I would pay like hell for the next two years until I moved out...but not until she would try to dump me somewhere else, including reform school for violent kids, except I had not broken any laws nor was I violent. [I was straight A student, in choir, but she would do all to END that...I would not be allowed to succeed there, her life was hell and by golly mine would be too, it was my fault, after all, that her life, her sacrifice, my fault, her marriage to my father, I do wonder about what more was behind that, I do not know, all I know, she was pregnant with me before marrying him and that he was still in Marines, not even discharged yet]. My Nana, whom my mother had removed us from her, when I was 12 [long story, history of abuse there, horrid, in fact, Nana was kind to me but horrible to her and my uncle, really towards boys, violently horrible, alcoholism, I wouldn't see the manipulations there until this past year--was I loved or a pawn? Maybe both, don't know, but not all that I thought, was as it appeared to be, a lot of FEAR esp when she was drinking, but anyway in teen years Nana was sick, she passed away, when I was 18? There are a lot of memory gaps too--many of them, months of gaps, black holes that I miss, maybe due to repression, not sure, age? Old age? who knows]

Well, anyway, gaps...lots of gaps,

but would have never thought--they would also be intertwined, the threads, in the advocacy I do, not like I am seeing now. Where it's going,

have No earthly idea...OH, an all so much of the attempted rapes and abuse and joke of marriage---all nicely wrapped up in the protection and seclusion of a nice little Bible Belt Christian Taliban town...all snug and sweet and so pious too. Poor white trash girls were easy prey you see, for fathers and uncles and judges and cops and the rich football boys club...all easy prey--black girls knew not to venture far from home [and they were run out of town] and Latina girls clung together in the protection of family, church [Catholic] and as a clan--no matter what economic class they were protected, by one another-from the onslaughts and violence of the white Religious KKK types,

not so with us poor white trash--we were defective, ugly, especially those of us who looked dark, not blonde, not petite, not tiny noses and blue eyes...not Southern Belle type, like Tori Amos sings, little fascist panties, LOL, That they were, That they were...we were marked,

not just by the boys either--the girls, women, were FAR WORSE. I know, why the black and brown women hate them so--so do I, if I am honest, so do I.

well, ok enough splattering the ugly bits here--but they are bits, I identify with,

In solidarity,

Jane

The Whore's Rage [what the church and society does not want to hear...] and it' s not just the rage of 'the whore' but rage, of so many, Women. The Poor, the Disenfranchised, the Invisible...the Abused, the Lepers of our World, the Untouchables [except to be exploited of course], I read this yesterday, and had to post it here,

read carefully, slowly, and, I pray, pass it forward, pass it forward. Don't let the world, ignore this, don't let the church, the patriarchs and the women who support, ignore this, Jesus, don't let them,

push this aside, no more.

http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2010/02/14/a-whores-rage/

In solidarity,

Jane

I'm not big on Valentine's Day, for reasons, well, I don't feel like going into right now, don't care for Mother's Day either, just not, two days that don't do a whole hell of a lot for me,

so, I sort of have my own version of both, which are not patriarchal or commercial. So, with that in mind, I'm posting this, one, to thank God for all that He has shown me, to thank Jesus, for all He's done for me,

and then to you, to those of you, who may need to hear, you are loved.

and I'll let the photos, do the rest. God knows the message in them, what I see in them, they may mean different things to you. Click on the Photo to see the larger photo, the meaning of them, I think, becomes more apparent, the smaller photos just don't do justice to them.

Wild Rose
http://giverny-impression.com/page/3/

Wild Dogwood Tree, CA, USA
www.californiapictures.com/dogwoodtree-02.html

Dogwood Tree Branch
http://www.art.com/products/p14266610-sa-i2890243/raymond-gehman-dogwood-tree-branch-with-blossoms.htm

Olive Garden, Israel,
http://www.bolministry.org/IsraelDay11.htm

Love Lies Bleeding, or Amaranthus caudatus
http://jellyfishbay.wordpress.com/2008/04/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/

Almond Tree Grove, Israel
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:PikiWiki_Israel_1601_Almond_trees_blossom_%D7%9B%D7%A8%D7%9D_%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%93%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%91%D7%9B%D7%A4%D7%A8_%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%95%D7%A8_%D7%91%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%97%D7%94_.jpg

Pomegranate Tree
http://www.squidoo.com/pomegranatepower

Six Pointed Star of Pomegranite, Israel
http://www.examiner.com/x-11490-Las-Vegas-Gardening-Examiner~y2009m6d17-Ancient-desert-fruits

Bleeding Heart Flowers
from Sodahead.com [don't click this, I had trouble with pop ups but I always include the link]

it's what is REAL, that COUNTS.

In love,

Jane